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Shauneyz

Joined: 26 May 2008
Location: The land of Nod

Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:39 pm Post subject:

it's full of stars wrote:

I like to think I've been in some tricky situations, but that definitely would have the worst by far. Some of us would like to think we would take the killer on, but if my wife or children were on that bus, then no-sorry mate, you're on your own. I would get my family off the bus first.

This is a reasonable thought, and if everyone else on the bus was a father with kids and a wife on hand, then sure. Was this the case though?

endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject:

Shauneyz wrote:

it's full of stars wrote:

This is a reasonable thought, and if everyone else on the bus was a father with kids and a wife on hand, then sure. Was this the case though?

Again what exaclt would you have done on that bus? details please?

Shauneyz

Joined: 26 May 2008
Location: The land of Nod

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:44 am Post subject:

endo wrote:

Again what exaclt would you have done on that bus? details please?

The situation was pretty vague, man...the most I could say I would do is "something." Is that not enough?

Freakstar

Joined: 29 Jun 2007

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:16 pm Post subject:

Shauneyz wrote:

Stormy wrote:

Not giving you shit, just responding to your posts - as you do on internet forums. Don't get upset because most of us actually have a more realistic view of the incident than you do.
You hold on to your hero fantasies, I prefer to deal with reality.

You know of the Kitty Genovese story, no? I remember talking about the morality of that in a class during my Fresh or Soph year of college...thinking how disgusted I felt about everyone that just stood by and did nothing while some woman got raped and murdered in what was basically the middle of the street. I think the same applies here.

Kitty Genovese story. It's featured in the awesome graphic novel, The Watchmen. If you're saying that both her story and this bus incident are examples of bystander apathy, then you have a point.

BUT here's the difference... in the Genovese case, "none of the witnesses observed the attacks in their entirety. Because of the layout of the apartment complex and the fact that the attacks took place in different locations, no witness saw the entire sequence. Most only heard portions of the incident without realizing its seriousness, a few saw only small portions of the initial assault, and no witnesses directly saw the final attack and attempted rape in an exterior hallway which resulted in Genovese's death." (quote taken from Wikipedia)

In the bus incident, a lot of people saw what was happening, so the argument can be made that "Someone should have done something. Anything." However, due to their close proximity to the killer, every single life on that bus was also in immediate danger...unlike the witnesses in the Genovese case. Honestly, I'm not proud to admit it, but I probably would've hightailed it outta there too...unless I had a weapon that I could use against him. Psycho wielding a butcher knife on a crowded bus...what to do? Trying to play the hero might only make matters worse. And from what I've read, once everyone else was safely evacuated, the bus driver and some others did what they could to ensure that no one else got hurt.

Freakstar

Joined: 29 Jun 2007

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject:

Pyongshin Sangja wrote:

He's Chinese Muslim, not Korean.

I'm relieved that he is not Korean. After the Virginia Tech massacre last year, if Li had turned out to be Korean, I'm afraid that news of yet another Korean immigrant being held responsible for a grisly murder(s) would have unleashed some major backlash.

And what's up with the recent beheadings that are making headlines? Some nut in Santorini also beheaded his girlfriend a few days ago. Wtf?!

endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject:

Freakstar wrote:

Backlash where exaclty?

Uhm, no sorry dude, but Canadians are not Koreans? We don't easily rally against outsiders like Koreans do.

Stop imposing the xenophobic Korean mindset on Canadians. We are much more civilized than that.

endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject:

Shauneyz wrote:

endo wrote:

Again what exaclt would you have done on that bus? details please?

The situation was pretty vague, man...the most I could say I would do is "something." Is that not enough?

No sorry man I'm not going to let you off that easily.

You clearly said several times on this thread thsat you would of taken action and that those who didn't were in effect "cowards".

Then when I called you out on it you replied that you didn't have enough details.

Well here are the details:

- it's about 9 pm
- you've been on a Greyhound bus for several hours
- a passenger who is behind or beside another passenger begins to violent stab him with a long hunters blade
- there is comotion on the bus and everyone starts to flee

So what do you do?

Been There, Taught That

Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Mungyeong: not a village, not yet a metroplex.

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:37 pm Post subject:

And you thought your timing was bad:
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080807/NATION/808070347&imw=Y

Quote:

TORONTO -- Greyhound has scrapped an ad campaign that extolled the relaxing upside of bus travel after one of its passengers was accused of beheading and cannibalizing another traveler.

The ad's tag line was, "There's a reason you've never heard of 'bus rage.'"

Greyhound spokeswoman Abby Wambaugh said Wednesday a billboard and some tunnel posters near a bus terminal in Toronto are still up and would be removed later in the day.

Also, here comes PETA again, sticking its wet nose into things:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=610914

Quote:

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) has been slammed for its latest ad campaign that compared the beheading of a passenger on a Greyhound bus in Canada to the slaughter of animals.

Last week, a passenger ran amok on a Greyhound bus, stabbing, gutting and beheading his seat mate, who was on his way home to Winnipeg from a job as a carnival worker in Edmonton.

Vince Weiguang Li, 40, of Edmonton, faces a second-degree murder charge in the grisly case...

peemil

Joined: 09 Feb 2003
Location: Koowoompa

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:28 am Post subject:

I hate sitting in a bus. I can see where the guy was coming from.

Been There, Taught That

Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Mungyeong: not a village, not yet a metroplex.

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:55 am Post subject:

peemil wrote:

I hate sitting in a bus.

I can see where the guy was coming from.

Whoa! Before anyone does, just don't go there.

Freakstar

Joined: 29 Jun 2007

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:33 am Post subject:

endo wrote:

Freakstar wrote:

Did I say Canadian backlash? Chill the f*ck out. I'm not hating on Canada so no need to defend the Canadian mindset. Rolling Eyes

Pyongshin Sangja

Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:42 am Post subject:

Backlash? Against immigrants? In North America? What are you talking about?

endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 2:31 am Post subject:

Freakstar wrote:

endo wrote:

Freakstar wrote:

Did I say Canadian backlash? Chill the f*ck out. I'm not hating on Canada so no need to defend the Canadian mindset. Rolling Eyes

So what kind of backlash were you referring to?

SMKOREA

Joined: 29 Nov 2005

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:54 am Post subject:

Shauneyz wrote:

endo wrote:

Again what exaclt would you have done on that bus? details please?

The situation was pretty vague, man...the most I could say I would do is "something." Is that not enough?

You would have bailed for the door, ala Costanza during the fire.

Been There, Taught That

Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Mungyeong: not a village, not yet a metroplex.

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject:

A man meets a very cruel and grisly end, the killer can't stop at simply making him dead, a lot of passengers will live with horrific images probably for life, a famous bus company suffers a loss of reputation and business, the world is treated to the spectacle of all this endlessly via media attention, and

the innocent forum bystander observed all this and wrote:

two people here get all personal and offended and obliviously toe-to-toe with each other because they are afraid of what would or would not have been done in a scenario past all playing out

Well, just remember that The Only Troll To Fear Is The Troll Within.

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