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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Phelps should be counted as his own little nation. The country of Phelps might still finish in the top 5 of the gold medal standings. The guy is amazing. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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2008 年 8 月 14 日 10:00am
中国金牌：十七 （17）
美国金牌：十 （10）
韩国金牌 & 德国金牌：六 （6)
Korea is still beating Japan, France, and Italy! |
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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I am sure South Korea will clean up in the Track and Field events to maintain their lead. Oh wait...They suck worse than Canada at those events.  |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| matthews_world wrote: |
Koreans are getting lucky. They just sent their most proficient skilled athletes and they won/are winning - archery, shooting, etc.
It's still early folks.
The European powerhouses and Austrailia are catching up.
How bout those Norks? |
So every other country just sent their second string athletes?  |
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sojusucks
Joined: 31 May 2008
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Here's a current event that is relevant to this conversation. The following article is from The Korea Herald (http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/):
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Ten gold medals and a top-10 finish. That is the goal for Seoul's athletes as they launch their quests for sporting glory at the 2008 Beijing Olympics.
Ever since Korea's fourth-place finish in 1988, when they hosted the summer games in Seoul and won 12 gold medals, expectations increase every four years regarding the world's biggest sporting spectacle. Korea hopes to improve upon its performance in the 2004 Athens games (nine gold medals and a 10th place finish) and has sent over 260 athletes to Beijing.
So, who among these aspirants have a real shot at Olympic gold?
Starting with the most likely, among Seoul's nine gold medals in Athens, three of them came in archery. The women swept the individual and team events, while the male archers took home the team title (they didn't win any medals in the individual event). This year, Park Sung-youn will try to repeat as individual woman's champion, but she will face stiff competition from her teammate Yoon Ok-hee, who is the 12-arrow world record holder. The men will also vie for a back-to-back team title, while current world champion Im Dong-won will be one of the favorites for gold. Hosts China will be tough opponents and will also provide the distraction of a boisterous home crowd.
Besides expected golds in archery, the event that is most synonymous with Korea's Olympic sporting success is taekwondo. The nation feels its athletes should sweep all the taekwondo events they enter, but that has become increasingly difficult recently, as other countries have become more adept at Korea's native martial art. There is no guarantee for a gold medal this time around because China, the United States and even Mali have strong contenders. However, two-time world champion Hwang Kyeong-sun is the most likely hope for Korea in the women's 65-kilogram class.
Another martial art, judo, also offers potential for Korean athletes. One judoka who has garnered a lot of attention is Wang Ki-chun. He famously defeated Athens Olympic champion Lee Won-hee in the national trials to win a spot on the Olympic team. He will attempt to duplicate Lee's feat in the 73-kilogram division.
The individual athlete who has received the most media hype recently is swimmer Park Tae-hwan. He is Korea's hope for its first-ever Olympics medal in swimming, and should give Australian veteran Grant Hackett a run for the money in the 400-meter freestyle. The 19 year-old "marine boy" is the reigning world champion in the event, and the country will be sure to celebrate wildly if he wins.
Another expected gold is in weightlifting. Jang Mi-ran came very close to winning last time around in Athens, but was edged out by her Chinese rival Mu Shuangshuang in the over 75-kilogram class. Jang, though, holds the world record in the event and is buoyed by the fact that Mu will not be competing this year because Beijing decided to field weightlifters who had a better chance at gold (each country is limited to four weightlifters). This means that, barring a huge upset in a weakened field, Jang should be able to hoist her way to the top of the podium in Beijing.
The team sport that shows some promise is handball. The women's handball team came agonizingly close to winning in Athens, but was beaten in overtime 38-36 by Denmark in the gold medal match. That saga was dramatized in the popular movie, "Forever the Moment." While the men are not as highly touted, they did win the gold medal in the 1992 Barcelona games and are considered the top Asian team. In handball, a medal, especially a gold, would be a pleasant surprise.
Other sports such as shooting, fencing, badminton, table tennis, gymnastics and field hockey can potentially yield a couple golds, or at least a few silvers and bronzes.
So, it's a "10-10" finish that Korean sports officials are hoping for. Ten gold medals and a top-10 ranking in Beijing should be achievable, and many observers feel that the official expectations are intentionally modest. The nation's athletes will be cheered on by a large Korean contingent, as the Olympic host city is only an hour's flight away and it has a large Korean expat population. Whatever happens, August is sure to be a busy month for the country's sports fans. |
This site also includes an image that summarizes Koreas performance in the past Olympics.
Here's a quick summary of overall rank for the past years (back to 1948) according to this article:
2004 - 9th/201 (9 golds, 12 silvers, 9 bronzes)
2000 - 12th/199 (8 golds, 10 silvers, 10 bronzes)
1996 - 10th/197 (7 golds, 15 silvers, 5 bronzes)
1992 - 7th/169 (12 golds, 5 silvers, 12 bronzes)
1988 - 4th/159 (12 golds, 10 silvers, 11 bronzes)
1984 - 10th/140 (6 golds, 6 silvers, 7 bronzes)
1976 - 19th/92 (1 silver, 4 bronzes)
1972 - 33rd/121 (1 silver)
1968 - 36th/112 (1 silver, 1 bronze)
1964 - 27th/93 (2 silvers, 1 bronze)
1960 - not listed (no medals)
1956 - 29th/72 (1 silver, 1 bronze)
1952 - (37th/69 (2 bronzes)
1948 - 24th/59 (2 bronzes)
What upsets me is that The Korea Herald or was it The Korea Times ran a story about how Phelps and Park shook hands and how that was some magical sign a respect -- insinuating that Phelps respected Park. Why couldn't they say that hand shaking is a cultural thing similiar to Koreans bowing. I don't like the Olympics being mixed with excessive propaganda. I only want to sit back, watch the events, and enjoy myself. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Just a request, if we are going to post metal counts, can we post them in English? There are plenty of sources to choose from. |
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matthews_world
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Isn't the Hanja tally is easy enough? Cross reference the Hanja through another site.
How about these?
名次 国家/地区 金牌 银牌 铜牌 总数
1 中国 35 13 13 61
2 美国 19 21 25 65
3 澳大利亚 11 10 12 33
4 英国 11 7 8 26
5 德国 9 6 7 22
6 韩国 8 9 5 22
7 日本 8 5 7 20
8 俄罗斯 7 12 12 31
9 意大利 6 6 6 18
10 乌克兰 5 3 6 14
11 法国 4 9 13 26
12 罗马尼亚 4 1 3 8
13 西班牙 3 3 1 7
14 斯洛伐克 3 1 0 4
15 荷兰 2 5 4 11
16 波兰 2 3 1 6
17 捷克 2 3 0 5
18 牙买加 2 2 0 4
19 加拿大 2 1 4 7
20 朝鲜 2 1 3 6
21 新西兰 2 1 2 5
22 埃塞俄比亚 2 1 0 3
23 瑞士 2 0 3 5
23 丹麦 2 0 3 5
25 格鲁吉亚 2 0 1 3
26 古巴 1 3 4 8
26 哈萨克斯坦 1 3 4 8
28 津巴布韦 1 3 0 4
29 阿塞拜疆 1 2 2 5
30 挪威 1 2 1 4
31 印度尼西亚 1 1 3 5
32 斯洛文尼亚 1 1 2 4
33 保加利亚 1 1 1 3
33 芬兰 1 1 1 3
35 蒙古 1 1 0 2
36 巴西 1 0 5 6
37 突尼斯 1 0 0 1
37 喀麦隆 1 0 0 1
37 印度 1 0 0 1
37 泰国 1 0 0 1
41 匈牙利 0 4 1 5
42 白俄罗斯 0 3 7 10
43 瑞典 0 3 0 3
44 肯尼亚 0 2 1 3
44 土耳其 0 2 1 3
46 希腊 0 1 2 3
46 奥地利 0 1 2 3
48 塞尔维亚 0 1 1 2
48 哥伦比亚 0 1 1 2
48 乌兹别克斯坦 0 1 1 2
48 阿尔及利亚 0 1 1 2
48 克罗地亚 0 1 1 2
48 吉尔吉斯斯坦 0 1 1 2
54 爱沙尼亚 0 1 0 1
54 厄瓜多尔 0 1 0 1
54 马来西亚 0 1 0 1
54 智利 0 1 0 1
54 葡萄牙 0 1 0 1
54 越南 0 1 0 1
54 新加坡 0 1 0 1
54 特立尼达和多巴哥 0 1 0 1
62 亚美尼亚 0 0 5 5
63 中华台北 0 0 2 2
64 墨西哥 0 0 1 1
64 立陶宛 0 0 1 1
64 塔吉克斯坦 0 0 1 1
64 埃及 0 0 1 1
64 多哥 0 0 1 1
64 阿根廷 0 0 1 1 |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| The Chinese are even more disgustingly nationalistic than Koreans, and the jeering of American basketball players didn't really surprise. Chinese nationalism is borne out of a sense of undoubted superiority to the barbarian west - the dynamics of Korean nationalism are completely different. The Americans will win more gold medals than China this week but will it be enough to take them into top spot on the final day? Has anyone added up the possibles and definites? Any predictions out there? On a different note it's great to see GB in third place! However, I would prefer to see a US athlete grab gold over a Brit if it meant dislodging China from the top of the medals table. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:17 am Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| The Chinese are even more disgustingly nationalistic than Koreans |
What a load of crap. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| What is this country called Korea that you mention? |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
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| The Chinese are even more disgustingly nationalistic than Koreans |
What a load of crap. |
And you are actually in China? Why not make an argument disproving my claims rather than throwing around amateur hour-like insults? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:25 am Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
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| The Chinese are even more disgustingly nationalistic than Koreans |
What a load of crap. |
And you are actually in China? Why not make an argument disproving my claims rather than throwing around amateur hour-like insults? |
Disprove?
First of all, you are talking about 1.3 billion people as if they are some collective entity. Shanghainese are different from Guangzhounese who are different from Beijingers who are different from Dongbei people, all of whom are different from inland Chinese who are still living in a world like centuries past.
Second of all, you've provided us with nothing. Jeering an opposing team? So that would make British football fans nationalist against 3/4ths of their own countrymen! Have you talked to any Chinese? Everytime I talked to Beijingers or Shanghainese about this stuff, they seemed anything but nationalistic, save the former high-ranking Communist official I once had an argument with.
Third of all, the so-called collective 'Chinese' do not have a superiority complex. If anything there's an inferiority complex (although its more complicated than just that). |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| First of all, you are talking about 1.3 billion people as if they are some collective entity. Shanghainese are different from Guangzhounese who are different from Beijingers who are different from Dongbei people, all of whom are different from inland Chinese who are still living in a world like centuries past. |
Regional variations are inevitable in just about any country in the world - including Korea. The opening ceremony included 56 "representatives" of the 56 ethnic groups in the PRC who carried the Chinese flag into the Bird's Nest, but it later transpired that most - if not all, the children were Han-Chinese. Chinese nationalism emphasizes the prime importance of the motherland; the regional differences take a back seat to this. The Chinese musings about beautiful women in Harbin and contrasts between Cantonese and northern delicacies are no different to Korean claims that northern women are beautiful and that food in Joella-do is the best on the penninsula - none of these things are at odds with nationalism. In China the concept of the motherland transcends all regional differences.
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| Second of all, you've provided us with nothing. Jeering an opposing team? So that would make British football fans nationalist against 3/4ths of their own countrymen! Have you talked to any Chinese? Everytime I talked to Beijingers or Shanghainese about this stuff, they seemed anything but nationalistic, save the former high-ranking Communist official I once had an argument with. |
I said that the jeering didn't surprise me because the Chinese are nationalistic, but that in itself is not why I think the Chinese are zealously nationalistic. Examples include, state-sponsored anti-Japanese protests, a highly nationalistic curriculum, and hyper-sensitivity over any perceived criticism of China.
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| Third of all, the so-called collective 'Chinese' do not have a superiority complex. If anything there's an inferiority complex (although its more complicated than just that). |
Hang out at Bieda and fraternize with some of the students - they are fanatics. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| First of all, you are talking about 1.3 billion people as if they are some collective entity. Shanghainese are different from Guangzhounese who are different from Beijingers who are different from Dongbei people, all of whom are different from inland Chinese who are still living in a world like centuries past. |
Regional variations are inevitable in just about any country in the world - including Korea. The opening ceremony included 56 "representatives" of the 56 ethnic groups in the PRC who carried the Chinese flag into the Bird's Nest, but it later transpired that most - if not all, the children were Han-Chinese. Chinese nationalism emphasizes the prime importance of the motherland; the regional differences take a back seat to this. The Chinese musings about beautiful women in Harbin and contrasts between Cantonese and northern delicacies are no different to Korean claims that northern women are beautiful and that food in Joella-do is the best on the penninsula - none of these things are at odds with nationalism. In China the concept of the motherland transcends all regional differences. |
No, it doesn't, not in most circumstances. You're just spouting a line the party would be happy for Chinese to accept. But that's not the reality. I'm sure you're aware of the millenial struggle between imperial and local government in China, and how independent many small fiefdoms within China can be. The concept of the motherland is what the CCP was trying to sell, and they spent a lot of money to sell it to their people. The correct inference would be that its something the CCP has to continually reinforce, not that 'Chinese' nationalism is self-sustaining like the leftist Korean nationalism which rails against its own leaders for making FTAs with the US.
Since you brought up the Olympics, btw, I've seen the emails Beijingers have been floating around about the machinations of the CCP during the Opening Ceremonies. They know a lot more details than the Western news has printed, and they knew it sooner.
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| Third of all, the so-called collective 'Chinese' do not have a superiority complex. If anything there's an inferiority complex (although its more complicated than just that). |
Hang out at Bieda and fraternize with some of the students - they are fanatics. |
No doubt there are high concentrations of nationalism among the youth. But again you show something in your example: Yes, the generation too young to experience Tienanmen are certainly more nationalistic. And further, I'll put it down to their youth and also to the fact that many are Beijingers. Beijingers are generally more patriotic than Southerners and Dongbeiren and sometimes simply nationalistic. But that just goes to my point that you need to breakdown Chinese geographically, and then by generation, and further more by education, income, etc.
But that your judgement that 'Chinese' are generally more nationalistic than Koreans is what really earned my 'that's a load of crap' comment. |
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