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winterwawa



Joined: 06 May 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The guide book is not on the G4 website. The link to the guidebook for Guidebook for Foreign spouses of Korean nationals is at

http://www.immigration.go.kr/HP/COM/bbs_03/ShowData.do
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easter Clark wrote:
Funny, I was at immi today and overheard a guy on the phone asking about getting an F-5, so my ears immediately perked up. The immigration officer told him that there is a seven-year residency requirement in order to get an F-5.

But the question is, if it's is a RESIDENCY requirement, then what does the length of time at one company have anything to do with it? I meet the residency requirment easily (12 years), but I've never stayed with a school more than 3 years (and signing my 3rd contract with my current uni this month), so according to the guy ttompatz dealt with, I'm not eligible.

Is it ONLY a residency requirement, or is it a residency and employment requirement? What is the wording of the law and how are they interpreting it office to office?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was specifically told that it is 5 years with NO CHANGE in your visa status (no visa run).

IF you make a visa run the residency clock starts again.

IF you change employers without making a visa run (add employer, change sponsor from 1st to 2nd employer = visa transfer) then the clock continues.
(this was my case).

Then they have you by the balls on the "positive contribution to society" requirement. A convenient catch all to deny you anyway (unless you are a famous Dutch soccer coach or US football MPV.)

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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
I was specifically told that it is 5 years with NO CHANGE in your visa status (no visa run).

IF you change employers without making a visa run (add employer, change sponsor from 1st to 2nd employer = visa transfer) then the clock continues.

I've never changed jobs without a visa run, but then the last time I had to do one was before the change in rules.

Either way, it doesn't make sense. Residency doesn't change from one day to the next. I went over to get my visa Monday morning and came back Monday afternoon. Same day. I still reside in Korea. I don't see why the clock should re-start.

I should go in and apply anyway just to get clearer answers. When they lay the "contribution to Korea" requirement on me, I'd like to ask them straight up what they mean. If they mean have lots of money, then they should just say so. If they mean something else, they should say so. "Contribution to Korea" is just way too vague, which I imagine is the point to keep us from getting them.
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winterwawa



Joined: 06 May 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been here since June 1998. but if the information in this thread is true, I can't qualify for an F5 because I changed jobs last year. What a bunch of crap.
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

winterwawa wrote:
I have been here since June 1998. but if the information in this thread is true, I can't qualify for an F5 because I changed jobs last year. What a bunch of crap.

You just got Sparkled.
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kprrok



Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: KC

PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to apply next week here in Jeju. Hopefully it won't be too painful. I've read that having a baby helps speed things along since it's obvious you're not faking the marriage. Hopefully that's true!

Wish me luck, and I'll let everyone know how it goes!
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komtengi



Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon

PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got mine today...
took 3 months..
during the interview I had to complete a written Q&A in Korean, not that difficult for myself but if others have to go through this it could be an uphill battle...
the missus had a 30 minute interview, and me about 10
money in the back is a non issue as I had stuff all in the account I took along
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tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:38 am    Post subject: The Latest Reply with quote

Went to a local SK shop with a friend who was looking for a cellphone for he and his wife. I was pleasantly surprised to find that the F5 visa holders can have a contract phone without the need of a co-signer, i.e. spouse or other Korean. All was well until the shop owner started doing the hmmm, uh, oh, "I'm sorry" business. It appears that all is well with immigration, and as an F5 holder I am entitled to the same contract privileges as Korean buyers, BUT SK has no system in place to work with foreigners. they "claim" that even though everything is cool with immigration they have no record of me in their system, which is a lie. (BTW even E2 visa holders can get a contract phone with a deposit)

They told my wife "sorry," and I said this time "I'm sorry" isn't going to cut it. For the 3 years I have been married I have consistently attempted to get some accounts that as an F2 - F5 visa holder I should be entitled to get, but in every case all I got was "I'm sorry" we can't do that. I could understand if it was once or twice during the three years, but it has been more than dozen times in the three years, and each time all they could come up with was some flimsy "I'm sorry" excuse. It is nothing less than discrimination in several forms. Therefore, I have begun the process of a law suit against SK and am contemplating adding a number of the businesses which have refused service to me as a legal, permanent resident of the country. Enough is enough, and it is time someone did something to try and stop this idiocy.

If you have experienced any difficulties as an F2 - F5 visa holder specifically, including any job related concerns that fall within the category of discrimination even though you are given additional rights as an individual with greater ties to Korea, feel free to mention it to me either in this post of in a PM. I truly love living here and enjoy my life, but the blatant discrimination is going to stop as far as I am concerned. People will either change the system to accommodate some common requests that are not asking more than what is expected, or they will have to answer for it to someone will ask the questions other than me in court.

BTW, I will have no problem with the legal assistance side of things, as an attorney has already agreed to take on the case, and is reasonably sure that at the very least we will gain the attention that has long been needed to bring the discriminatory practices of Korean businesses, commonly dealing with expats, to light. Some may feel this is overboard, but to help make my life better here for my family I have no other choice but to take this action.
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losing_touch



Joined: 26 Jun 2008
Location: Ulsan - I think!

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:48 am    Post subject: Re: wife Reply with quote

tob55 wrote:
BTW, the 50,000 KRW is a mere pittance compared to the $1000 it will cost my wife to go through all of the BS to ger her Green Card to live and work in the USA.


I don't know where you did your research, but that $1000 is a crazy sum of money. It is much, much cheaper than that.
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saw6436



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon, ROK

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I changed jobs without a visa run (never had to do a visa run before). Changing jobs had NO effect on the time frame for getting my F-5.
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tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:16 pm    Post subject: Money for Green card Reply with quote

losing_touch, the $1000 figure was calculated simply by looking at the fee schedule and the document processing fees that are required to get it all done here in South Korea. Got the figures directly from the US Embassy website. Thanks for asking though.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

saw6436 wrote:
I changed jobs without a visa run (never had to do a visa run before). Changing jobs had NO effect on the time frame for getting my F-5.


but you are married to a Korean so your visa status doesn't change every time you change jobs.... should have read the whole thread.

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Cheonmunka



Joined: 04 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have begun the process of a law suit against SK
BTW, I will have no problem with the legal assistance side of things, as an attorney has already agreed to take on the case, and is reasonably sure that at the very least we will gain the attention that has long been needed to bring the discriminatory practices of Korean businesses, commonly dealing with expats, to light.

It's not a bad idea in order to get some changes happening.
I posted a few letters on different public sites in '01-'02 explaining how I had two Korean children yet was still chained to the E2 visa etc. There must have been others campining too for soon after the F2 came out whereby men could get a kind of residency with that. I think making light of the situation does work. People in power didn't/don't even realise the draconian immigration laws that are/were in place. It's not in their priorites to know so showing them is a good thing.
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kprrok



Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: KC

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:16 pm    Post subject: Re: The Latest Reply with quote

tob55 wrote:
Went to a local SK shop with a friend who was looking for a cellphone for he and his wife. I was pleasantly surprised to find that the F5 visa holders can have a contract phone without the need of a co-signer, i.e. spouse or other Korean. All was well until the shop owner started doing the hmmm, uh, oh, "I'm sorry" business. It appears that all is well with immigration, and as an F5 holder I am entitled to the same contract privileges as Korean buyers, BUT SK has no system in place to work with foreigners. they "claim" that even though everything is cool with immigration they have no record of me in their system, which is a lie. (BTW even E2 visa holders can get a contract phone with a deposit)


Why do people insist on going to SK if they're blatantly discriminatory? Just go with LG and get a contract plan with no deposit, no hassles, and no time wasted (unless they have to wait for the phone to be delivered).
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