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Korea a shining example for other nations: Kim Dae-Jung
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Frankly Mr Shankly



Joined: 13 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A man who paid for his Nobel Prize by giving millions to the death machine of a dictator who has starved his countrymen and squandered what little wealth they had on a playboy lifestyle and nuclear weapons deserves to be either ignored or pilloried.
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Jandar



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to point out the success of the passive American Occupation of South Korea.

Korea thrive under occupation.
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stevieg4ever



Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England

PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is people like this tw@t that make people despise and loathe this country. His lack of perspective is frightening. He conveniently missed out:

Coalition forces intervening during the Korean war and saving Korea (the entire country, except for Busan, was taken in something like 22 days, Korea sparkling Confused what is so impressive about that, if he wants a lesson in military bravery and accomplishment may I direct him to, er hmm, Great Britain during WWII).

The International Monetary Fund bailing out Korea during the financial crisis.

A constant stream of investment from the United States.

Anyone who has lived in this country for more than 10 seconds knows what a pretentious article this is. He just encompasses the ignorance and lack of perspective that a lot of Koreans hold on their history.

The fact that his sons have stolen billions of dollars and that he donated a nuclear weapon to the North says a lot about him and his legacy.
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevieg4ever wrote:
He just encompasses the ignorance and lack of perspective that a lot of Koreans hold on their history.


Not all countries choose to believe false misrepresentations of history in order to feel good about themselves. Is it impossible to imagine one day a Korean president giving a speech like this?

Speech by President Sarkozy Before Congress
November 7, 2007
http://www.nysun.com/national/speech-by-president-sarkozy-before-congress/66054/

Quote:

"The United States and France remain true to the memory of their common history, true to the blood spilled by their children in common battles...

The men and women of my generation heard their grandparents talk about how in 1917, America saved France at a time when it had reached the final limits of its strength, which it had exhausted in the most absurd and bloodiest of wars.

The men and women of my generation heard their parents talk about how in 1944, America returned to free Europe from the horrifying tyranny that threatened to enslave it.

To those 20-year-old heroes who gave us everything, to the families of those who never returned, to the children who mourned fathers they barely got a chance to know, I want to express France's eternal gratitude.

I want to express the deep, sincere gratitude of the French people. I want to tell you that whenever an American soldier falls somewhere in the world, I think of what the American army did for France."
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Guri Guy



Joined: 07 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ungrateful does spring to mind. That and ignorance of history.
Whitewashing everything to glorify DAEHANMINGUK. Sad
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stevieg4ever



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Location: London, England

PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly and during this whole period of self-adulation has Korea paid respects to the many foreign people that lost their lives and made sacrifices for their native soil?

And I am not talking about one line in a poorly written childrens newspaper either. Yet mention Dokdo, US beef and all the rest of it and the 우리 나라 band wagon soon rolls in.

If it were not for coalition forces this whole land would be down on its knees ruled by Kim Jong Il.

Instead of learning which province produces the best red dates or sweet corn in Korea there should be a mandatory trip to the war memorial museum.

nautilus wrote:
stevieg4ever wrote:
He just encompasses the ignorance and lack of perspective that a lot of Koreans hold on their history.


Not all countries choose to believe false misrepresentations of history in order to feel good about themselves. Is it impossible to imagine one day a Korean president giving a speech like this?

Speech by President Sarkozy Before Congress
November 7, 2007
http://www.nysun.com/national/speech-by-president-sarkozy-before-congress/66054/

Quote:

"The United States and France remain true to the memory of their common history, true to the blood spilled by their children in common battles...

The men and women of my generation heard their grandparents talk about how in 1917, America saved France at a time when it had reached the final limits of its strength, which it had exhausted in the most absurd and bloodiest of wars.

The men and women of my generation heard their parents talk about how in 1944, America returned to free Europe from the horrifying tyranny that threatened to enslave it.

To those 20-year-old heroes who gave us everything, to the families of those who never returned, to the children who mourned fathers they barely got a chance to know, I want to express France's eternal gratitude.

I want to express the deep, sincere gratitude of the French people. I want to tell you that whenever an American soldier falls somewhere in the world, I think of what the American army did for France."
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Kimchi Cha Cha



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: was Suncheon, now Brisbane

PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This article perfectly encapsulates where modern-day South Korea stands - it has a misguided sense of pride, selective memory, belittling and/or ignorance of others and their actions, obnoxious boasting and excessive self-adulation.

Well done, Kim Dae-jung - you perfectly encapsulated the mood of the nation. You also perfectly encapsulated the reasons why I believe this nation will never become the global power the people of this nation so desperately strive for - unless Koreans become more introspective and realize the consequences of their actions, and become more respectful of others.

The sooner Koreans learn to accept criticism, accept and respect non-Koreans and the help they have lent this country over the years, become more humble, loosen up on the hatred of others and open up; the better the nation will stand.

My only hope is that in 10/20/20/50 years the youth of Korea will shake their heads in collective disbelief that they ever elected such hypocritical, egotistical, ungrateful and misguided leaders such as Kim Dae-jung and Roh Moo-hyun.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Korea is the ugly girl in high school who blooms into a low 8 in her mid-20s. She spends the rest of her life fishing for compliments and expecting a lot of credit because she wears a jean mini skirt.

I do find a Canadian commercial particularly obnoxious. It's been running during the CBC broadcast of the olympics. The scene shifts from third world nation to third world nation. All these people are watching Canadian olympic victories and singing the Canadian national anthem to themselves in their native language. Finally some wise, aged china man pronounces the anthem "catchy".

Jesus.
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The Hammer



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Korea is the ugly girl in high school who blooms into a low 8 in her mid-20s. She spends the rest of her life fishing for compliments and expecting a lot of credit because she wears a jean mini skirt.

I do find a Canadian commercial particularly obnoxious. It's been running during the CBC broadcast of the olympics. The scene shifts from third world nation to third world nation. All these people are watching Canadian olympic victories and singing the Canadian national anthem to themselves in their native language. Finally some wise, aged china man pronounces the anthem "catchy".

Jesus.


Pretend victories have to count for something, don't they?
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Korea is the ugly girl in high school who blooms into a low 8 in her mid-20s. She spends the rest of her life fishing for compliments and expecting a lot of credit because she wears a jean mini skirt.

I do find a Canadian commercial particularly obnoxious. It's been running during the CBC broadcast of the olympics. The scene shifts from third world nation to third world nation. All these people are watching Canadian olympic victories and singing the Canadian national anthem to themselves in their native language. Finally some wise, aged china man pronounces the anthem "catchy".

Jesus.



Almost all forms of natonalism, especially from my own country disgust and embarass me.
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Guri Guy



Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island

PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I do find a Canadian commercial particularly obnoxious. It's been running during the CBC broadcast of the olympics. The scene shifts from third world nation to third world nation. All these people are watching Canadian olympic victories and singing the Canadian national anthem to themselves in their native language. Finally some wise, aged china man pronounces the anthem "catchy".

Jesus.


That's not cool either. At least Canada is made up of peoples from many countries. So it is somewhat believable. Still pompous and arrogant though. I don't like that.
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Beej



Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop

PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Korea is the ugly girl in high school who blooms into a low 8 in her mid-20s. She spends the rest of her life fishing for compliments and expecting a lot of credit because she wears a jean mini skirt.

I do find a Canadian commercial particularly obnoxious. It's been running during the CBC broadcast of the olympics. The scene shifts from third world nation to third world nation. All these people are watching Canadian olympic victories and singing the Canadian national anthem to themselves in their native language. Finally some wise, aged china man pronounces the anthem "catchy".

Jesus.


Has any Chinese Vancouverite actually translated "O Canada ' into Cantonese or Mandarin let alone sing it?
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Guri Guy



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Has any Chinese Vancouverite actually translated "O Canada ' into Cantonese or Mandarin let alone sing it?


This guy apparently was doing that.

Anthem

Residency: March 1 - 31,1 2006

Presentation dates
TBA
Toronto

Co-sponsored by Trinity Square Video

Toronto... During the month of March, Canadian artist Will Kwan was in Toronto developing his new project for Fado, entitled "Anthem". This project will culminate in live performances of modified versions of "O Canada", to be sung at a local venue where the anthem would traditionally be played. Kwan explains his project:

"Anthem" is a video-based performance work about the history and subject matter of national anthems, produced by Will Kwan as part of Fado Performance Inc.'s ongoing IDea series .

"Official patriotic songs, especially those prior to the emergence of the modern nation-based world order, were often epic compositions. Some early anthems went on for ten to fifteen verses, providing details about the origins of a population, their geopolitical struggles, and their cultural values. The simplified, modern Canadian anthem is a minimalist affair by comparison, comprised of one verse and a repeated chorus. This project attempts to �expand� the existing Canadian anthem to re-introduce the epic as a formal structure, as a way to account for the �epic� intercultural narratives of the urban Canadian population.


WILL KWAN
# about Will Kwan


photo: Marcella Rafaniello

"The performance involves five professional vocalists whose native tongue is neither English nor French, the official languages of the Canadian national song. I am working with these singers to translate �O Canada� into their respective languages (Portuguese, Argentinian Spanish, Mandarin, Arabic, and Romanis) and to create one additional verse for the anthem. The content of this second verse includes lyrical references taken from the folk and poetic traditions of each performer, and composed as one segment of a longer five-part arrangement.

"In order to present these anthem variations in the appropriate public realm, the performance has been conceived to fit into the Toronto City Council�s protocol for the playing of the Canadian anthem at opening of their council sessions. Over the course of five council assemblies, a different individual vocalist will perform their translated �O Canada� immediately following the playing of the pre-recorded anthem in English and French. With each performance, the individual vocalist will be singing one section of a larger narrative pattern that will unfold over the course of the five performances.

"Each of the five performances will be filmed and edited into a video piece that weaves the ten new verses (five translations and five new compositions) into a non-linear sequence, to produce an extended composition which intertwines the multiple vocalists, languages, and cultural references. The live performances are meant to emphasize the individual voice, while the resulting video document will express a sense of the collective."

http://www.performanceart.ca/idea/kwan/home.html

National anthems being sung in sung in other languages is actually a big controversy in the USA apparently.

The right wing is up in arms over a new version of the Star-Spangled Banner written in Spanish. Last week President Bush stated that �the national anthem ought to be sung in English.� Yesterday Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN) introduced a resolution requiring the Star-Spangled banner to be sung only in English:

That flag and that song are a part of our history and our national identity. � That's why in 1931 Congress declared the Star-Spangled Banner our national anthem. That's why we should always sing it in our common language, English.

In his press release, Alexander said the Star-Spangled Banner has �never before�been rendered in another language.�

But in 1919, the U.S. Bureau of Education commissioned a Spanish-language version of �The Star Spangled Banner.� The State Department�s website also features four-separate versions of the anthem in Spanish.

It appears xenophobia isn�t part of the American tradition.

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/02/spanish-anthem/
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