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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ReeseDog wrote:
ED209 wrote:
I don't really understand what is to be learnt by killing Neill, Sadam or McVeigh.


There are many reasons cited by people for their support or condemnation of capital punishment. Most of these reasons are the subjects of heated debates at one time or other. The one fact that cannot be debated, however, is the reason why I firmly support the death penalty, and that fact is no more complex than this: the recidivism rate for executed criminals is absolutely zero.

And what is the rate of execution of the innocent?

You are aware, aren't you, that over 100 people have been removed from death row in the USA because they were shown to be innocent? NOT on some technicality, but on DNA evidence which showed they could not possibly have committed the crimes with which they were charged.
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nolegirl



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A person has a right to a jury trial on a captial case. If his peers that come from all different types of backgrounds: black, white, poor, rich, male and female decide to choose the death penalty b/c his/her crimes were so viscious then so be it. Lets face it, most people plea out or have bench trials or something like that. Even if the jury chooses a death sentence their are so many mitigating factors that it would be brought down to life with no parole. How many people were actually sentenced to death in 2007?? Just curious

I think the kids that robbed the store at 17 and killed 3 people b/c he was in a gang should not get the death penalty, I feel many of these people are in bad situations and many were just pressured into the crime not necessarily bad people.

BUT.... a child molester will repeat. If the gang menber got out in 20 years, I believe he would not kill again (I could be wrong). But a child molester will hunt again.

Where are the rights of the victims (aka children who have no voice and are scared). I wish the death penalty could be enacted on child molesters b/c those are the people who WILL hurt again, they don't stop. They WILL never stop, just find new ways!!! And every time he is with a child he is killing that child inside.

I really do think castration would do well but I guess that would fall under "Cruel and Unusual" but really what else can you do to stop them??
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Socks



Joined: 15 May 2008
Location: somewhere in here...

PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nolegirl wrote:
A person has a right to a jury trial on a captial case. If his peers that come from all different types of backgrounds: black, white, poor, rich, male and female decide to choose the death penalty b/c his/her crimes were so viscious then so be it. Lets face it, most people plea out or have bench trials or something like that. Even if the jury chooses a death sentence their are so many mitigating factors that it would be brought down to life with no parole. How many people were actually sentenced to death in 2007?? Just curious

I think the kids that robbed the store at 17 and killed 3 people b/c he was in a gang should not get the death penalty, I feel many of these people are in bad situations and many were just pressured into the crime not necessarily bad people.

BUT.... a child molester will repeat. If the gang menber got out in 20 years, I believe he would not kill again (I could be wrong). But a child molester will hunt again.

Where are the rights of the victims (aka children who have no voice and are scared). I wish the death penalty could be enacted on child molesters b/c those are the people who WILL hurt again, they don't stop. They WILL never stop, just find new ways!!! And every time he is with a child he is killing that child inside.

I really do think castration would do well but I guess that would fall under "Cruel and Unusual" but really what else can you do to stop them??


and while we are at it -

lets cut up the bodies of muderers..

cut the hands and legs of robbers...

cut the hands of arsonists...

cut the fingers of vehicle thieves and shoplifters...

cut the brains out of people who commit fraud, embezzlement, counterfeiting, forgery, bribery, and breach of trust...

cut the penises and balls of people who commit indecent exposure and distribution of obscene literature.

and whilst we are talking about "caring for children" lets cut the hands, legs and arms of all parents who "smack" their children,

cut the tongues of all teachers and parents and "adashis" who shout at children...

and cut the eyes out of anyone who looks at a child...

that will save the children........


With CPN - by the time he gets out - (if he does get out)...

he will most likely be missing a few nuts and bolts upstairs and probably will be HIV+... even after that his life is doomed for the rest of his life..
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nolegirl



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Socks wrote:
nolegirl wrote:
A person has a right to a jury trial on a captial case. If his peers that come from all different types of backgrounds: black, white, poor, rich, male and female decide to choose the death penalty b/c his/her crimes were so viscious then so be it. Lets face it, most people plea out or have bench trials or something like that. Even if the jury chooses a death sentence their are so many mitigating factors that it would be brought down to life with no parole. How many people were actually sentenced to death in 2007?? Just curious

I think the kids that robbed the store at 17 and killed 3 people b/c he was in a gang should not get the death penalty, I feel many of these people are in bad situations and many were just pressured into the crime not necessarily bad people.

BUT.... a child molester will repeat. If the gang menber got out in 20 years, I believe he would not kill again (I could be wrong). But a child molester will hunt again.

Where are the rights of the victims (aka children who have no voice and are scared). I wish the death penalty could be enacted on child molesters b/c those are the people who WILL hurt again, they don't stop. They WILL never stop, just find new ways!!! And every time he is with a child he is killing that child inside.

I really do think castration would do well but I guess that would fall under "Cruel and Unusual" but really what else can you do to stop them??


and while we are at it -

lets cut up the bodies of muderers..

cut the hands and legs of robbers...

cut the hands of arsonists...

cut the fingers of vehicle thieves and shoplifters...

cut the brains out of people who commit fraud, embezzlement, counterfeiting, forgery, bribery, and breach of trust...

cut the penises and balls of people who commit indecent exposure and distribution of obscene literature.

and whilst we are talking about "caring for children" lets cut the hands, legs and arms of all parents who "smack" their children,

cut the tongues of all teachers and parents and "adashis" who shout at children...

and cut the eyes out of anyone who looks at a child...

that will save the children........


With CPN - by the time he gets out - (if he does get out)...

he will most likely be missing a few nuts and bolts upstairs and probably will be HIV+... even after that his life is doomed for the rest of his life..


Yes then CPN can get out with his HIV and go have sex with little kids. Its not like he suddenly is going to say "I don't like kids, I like grown women, what was I thinkin, I like boobies". Can a straight person make themselves gay, can a gay person make themselves straight, can a child molester suddenly decide he does not want to have sex with kids???

If you read my post carefully I agree that murderers should not get the death sentence b/c they are not going to have "urges" to repeat those crimes. If a man kills his wife he is not going to get out of prison and go on a murdering rampage. A molester gets out he will repeat, so how do you stop him. Cut his weiner off!!!

Socks, please give advice on how to "cure" a child molester, I am curious?
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contrarian



Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK

PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CPN may do better than we expect in his Thai jail. He is a westerner and he has money (some, probably from family in Canada). He can purchase a great deal of insulation.

I resent people like him and the fake degree crowd making the lives of the every day English teacher difficult. All the proof of degrees and crimnal record checks are both time consuming and expensive. That may not be a good reason to execute him, but his own conduct raises the potential.
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Sushi



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Location: North Korea

PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was an article in The U.S. News (Aug 18-25) about INTERPOL, and the pursuit of CPN through operation VICO, and the other guy they found in New Jersey through operation IDENT. Seems like there was another agenda.

U.S. News Question: "You recently launched two high-profile appeals to identify child sex predators"

INTERPOL Answer: "We're trying to prepare ourselves for that day when a suspected terrorist might be carrying a biological or chemical weapon and we know what he looks like but not his name, and we want to stop him. Thats the model we used for the child sex offenders. We didn't have his name or nationality, but we knew what he looked like."

Interesting blog about the dood.
http://subversivewriter.wordpress.com/2007/10/15/another-pedophile-teacher-in-korea-why-am-i-not-surprised/


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blaseblasphemener



Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be

PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not for the death penalty simply because it can't be done without spending millions on legal costs.

I'm for the Phoenix sheriff type of prison, only put it in alaska and let them experience bone chilling cold and wet on a daily basis. Let them bust rocks and shuffle shit for life, to teach them their picadillos come with a life sentence of misery, just like they inflicted on their victims.

no tv, no newspaper, no letters, no internet, no books, no nothing. just work, sleep, eat just enough to live, and die a miserable and sad life.

that's justice.
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ED209



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nolegirl wrote:

Yes then CPN can get out with his HIV and go have sex with little kids.


I don't think anyone here is calling for his release, many are happy to see him stay in jail for life. It's not a choice between 3years and the death penalty.


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If you read my post carefully I agree that murderers should not get the death sentence b/c they are not going to have "urges" to repeat those crimes. If a man kills his wife he is not going to get out of prison and go on a murdering rampage. A molester gets out he will repeat, so how do you stop him. Cut his weiner off!!!


So let's release Charles Manson. A pedo in jail for life isn't going to get anywhere near kids.

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Socks, please give advice on how to "cure" a child molester, I am curious?


You already seem to have the cure. But we'll never find a new one or why these people tick if we start killing them.

Also aren't most perpetrators the parent or relative of the child. Wouldn't the death penalty possibly be going against the wishes of the victim?

Lock them up and throw away the key. Let a psychiatrist in to study them, that's enough.
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Len8



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What drives these guys. Psychologists say it's a power thing. If it is, how in the world can anyone feel so disempowered to want to get a sense of power by molesting a much younger person. Are these guys hardwired or were they conditioned by circumstances.
Does it run in families? Are these guys aware that it's a horrendous crime not acceptable by the rest of the human race. They say that when confronted with their crime these guys go into strong denial mode. They have the ability to brush everything off and be smug and their behaviour that can usually be totaly disarming. The more horrendous the crime it seems, the greater the power the individual has to down play what he or she has done.

Someone has said that the victims were very often friends with the abuser. Maybe CPN worked his way into a friendship with members of the kids family.


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Ukon



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

contrarian wrote:
CPN may do better than we expect in his Thai jail. He is a westerner and he has money (some, probably from family in Canada). He can purchase a great deal of insulation.


Good luck trying to access that money from jail in a foreign country. I also heard they get even rougher on westerners....many of the guards will work during the day, some at places tourist frequent. After having to serve so many rude westerners on vacation I hear they're really happy to whack them senseless.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ukon wrote:
contrarian wrote:
CPN may do better than we expect in his Thai jail. He is a westerner and he has money (some, probably from family in Canada). He can purchase a great deal of insulation.


Good luck trying to access that money from jail in a foreign country. .



Easy enough. Quite a few people who have money can manage to get it in jail...a few corrupt guards is all it takes. It happens all the time.
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marlow



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Socks wrote:
he will most likely be missing a few nuts


Perhaps.
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ReeseDog



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marlow wrote:
Socks wrote:
he will most likely be missing a few nuts


Perhaps.


Yes - two, at least.
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kingplaya4



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I get the outrage although some of you are a little over the top (I highly doubt you'd risk your own freedom to beat him to death). Yeah three years is definitely a lot shorter than what I would have expected. If Thai prisons are still like what that Australian wrote about in 4000 days, I doubt having money will help him much, unless he's into drugs.

The point I wanted to make on this is where is the outrage against the parents that pimp their kids out? To me that's 10x worse than what Neil did. I don't know the specifics of Neil's trial, but when the story first broke, reporters claimed that this happened frequently in Thailand and Cambodia, to bring in extra bucks for their family. I'm not much of a death penalty guy (except for that beheading psycho in Canada) but I'd fully support it for any parents that did this. Neil needs to be punished harshly, but if any parents were encouraging their children to do this, they should be punished even more.
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Kelly1101



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those facing the same charges in Canada get very light sentences as well. One would have hoped that committing a crime in a far stricter country would have brought on a harsher punishment. Christopher Neils light sentence sends a message worldwide that this monsters can travel around the globe and commit these crimes without harsh consequences. Not only has he ruined the lives of all these children, but he's also made a bad name for Canadians. How do you think people in Asia will look at single males who want to travel abroad to teach? This man is truly sick and one must wonder if he's committed similar crimes in his home country. There is no true justice for the victims of these crimes. These criminals are basically murderers. Though they are not physically killing these children, they're killing their souls and their faith in humanity. He truly should not be allowed to walk the streets ever again and should spend the rest of his life in prison.
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