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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| The torch has been passed. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
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| ...the Counterpunch piece...makes a fairly compelling argument, from the left-wing perspective. |
I read it. It is a standard, U.S.-centric, extremely cynical piece, On the Other Hand. And the reference to Ford as "the greatest president" is sacrcastic sneer -- but I doubt you need me to remind you of this.
I have always seen both Ford and Carter as caretaker presidents -- but for Carter's getting the Cold War going again and his Camp David negotiations, that is.
This kind of writing, however,...
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| ...the foolish U.S. response to the capture of the U.S. container ship Mayaguez by the Khmer Rouge on May 12, 1975. As imperial adventures go... |
...bores me. It is that typical and too-oft repeated by malcontents like R.S. and his monosource.
North Korea invades the South? The far left alleges the United States induced this for the military-industrial complex's benefit.
9/11? If the W. Bush Administration did not perpetrate it, then, still , there is little more to know about it than Washington really benefitted from it and cynically used it as pretext to grease the military-industrial complex.
Now, at Ford's death, Counterpunch reminds us that the Mayaguez incident was merely "an imperialist adventure...a foolish U.S. response..." Ford's advisors were "rabid" and "bellicose." And Ford himself was a hypocrite.
Pyongyang and Seoul, al Qaeda and bin Laden, and now even the Khmer Rouge are incidental agents to such historical events. Really, they had little to do with anything, right?
A war starts in Northeast Asia...U.S. imperialism. There's your answer.
Terrorist attacks...just an American pretext. There's your answer.
Khmer Rouge seizes a U.S.-flag vessel in international waters, and executes three United States Marines...just another foolish American imperialistic adventure. There's your answer.
It grows tiring always hearing that when anything happens, even when someone hostile attacks the United States or United States interests, that it is still American imperialism at work. There are no bad people in the world, only misunderstood, good-willed people and organizations like Hezbollah. We are racist for failing to consider their point of view sympathetically. On the other hand, the U.S. govt deserves only our contempt, as it is always not only wrong, but the cause of all that is wrong.
"Simplistic" does not even begin to account for this bile-filled myopia.
As I have said before, it is the Six-Degrees-of-AntiAmericanism game. Name anything, anywehere, and the far left will hatefully blame the despised United States for it.
Now people are spitting on a dead president's grave. They are the "humanitarians" and "peacelovers," right? Good for them.
A while ago Manner of Speaking commented that it was as if someone in a mental institution called all the other patients and invited them to post their random thoughts here. I am beginning to believe him. |
That's a damn good post. |
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Don Gately
Joined: 20 Mar 2006
Location: In a basement taking a severe beating
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Some say yes? Those would be the morons in the crowd, eh? |
Pundits, mostly. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:21 pm Post subject: Gerald Ford forced to admit the Warren Report fictionalized |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
| The torch has been passed. |
Yes. And thanks to the likes of Gerald Ford we will never know why.
Ford told FBI about panel's doubts on JFK murder
WASHINGTON (AP) � Former President Ford secretly advised the FBI that two of his fellow members on the Warren Commission doubted the FBI's conclusion that John F. Kennedy was shot from the sixth floor of the Texas Book Depository in Dallas, according to newly released records from Ford's FBI files.
Ford, still a congressman at the time, also told a senior FBI official about internal panel disputes over hiring staff, Chief Justice Earl Warren's timetable for completing the final report on the assassination and what panel members said about the FBI.
In turn, Assistant FBI Director Cartha "Deke" DeLoach confidentially advised Ford of FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover's position on panel disputes; discussed where leaks were coming from; and, with Hoover's personal approval, loaned him a bureau briefcase with a lock so he could securely take the FBI report on the 1963 assassination with him on a ski trip.
The new details were included in 500 pages of the FBI's large file on Ford, released in part this past week in response to requests under the Freedom of Information Act that The Associated Press and others made on the day Ford died in December 2006. The FBI intends to release additional documents about Ford in several batches, all with parts censored for law enforcement and privacy reasons.
That Ford served as the FBI's eyes and ears inside the commission has been known for years. Long ago, the government released a 1963 FBI memo that said Ford, then a Republican congressman from Michigan, had volunteered to keep the FBI informed about the panel's private deliberations, but only if that relationship remained confidential. The bureau agreed.
It was also well-known Ford was an outspoken proponent of the bureau's conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy acting alone.
A newly released memorandum provides more details about Ford's role as the FBI's informant. DeLoach wrote on Dec. 17, 1963, to outline what Ford told him in the congressman's office about the commission meeting the day before.
"Two members of the commission brought up the fact that they still were not convinced that the President had been shot from the sixth floor window of the Texas Book Depository," DeLoach wrote. "These members failed to understand the trajectory of the slugs that killed the President. He stated he felt this point would be discussed further but, of course, would represent no problem."
There was no explanation of what Ford meant by "no problem."
Warren Commission records released in 1997 revealed that in the final report Ford changed the staff's original description of one of Kennedy's wounds. Ford said then he only made the description more precise. Skeptics said Ford's wording falsely made the wound seem higher on the body to make the panel's conclusion that one bullet hit both Kennedy and Texas Gov. John Connally more plausible.
DeLoach also wrote that Ford wanted to take the FBI's confidential assassination report on a ski vacation but had no way to do so "in complete safety." DeLoach recommended lending Ford a bureau briefcase with a lock. The bottom of the memo contains a handwritten "OK" over Hoover's distinctive initial "H," which he regularly used in commenting on memos.
Most of the newly disclosed documents describe the relationship between the FBI under Hoover and influential members of Congress or the judiciary once Hoover was convinced that they were allies.
Hoover rewarded Ford with personal notes that congratulated him on re-election and on awards, thanked Ford for publicly defending the bureau and expressed sympathy over the death of Ford's mother. In turn, Ford responded with private and public praise for Hoover and the FBI.
Like other friendly officials, Ford was granted favors. Some Ford sought: a photo of Hoover, background checks on a maid the Fords wanted to hire and on a man with a Swedish accent seeking public office in Ford's district but who had not answered all his neighbors' questions about his personal background. Others were surprise gifts, such as a signed copy of Hoover's book on communism.
Ford was elected to Congress in 1948. Hoover first congratulated him on his re-election in 1952 and thereafter. An internal FBI memo in 1965 said that, "though we did experience some difficulty with all the members of the Warren Commission, Ford was of considerable help to the Bureau."
Many of the newly released records describe the bureau's controversial surveillance of anti-war and civil rights protesters as the FBI reported on plans for protest demonstrations at Ford's public appearances as a congressman, vice president and president.
Copyright 2008 The Associated Press
In the picture of JFK's shirt , you can see a bullet hole lower down on his back. Had the bullet which entered at this point been the same bullet which the Warren Report claims then exited through the knot of JFK's tie, it would have passed well above John Connally's head.
One thing is clear. The hole in JFK's shirt is nowhere near where JFK's neck was. It was in his back.
In the photo of JFK's suit coat, it shows that the bullet hole in the shirt and suit coat line up, discrediting the Warren Commmsion claim that the shirt had "bunched up" around JFK's neck when the bullet hit. |
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CasperTheFriendlyGhost
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Lincoln was a pretty good president. Freed the slaves. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| CasperTheFriendlyGhost wrote: |
| Lincoln was a pretty good president. Freed the slaves. |
John Wilkes Booth shot Abraham Lincoln on April 14, 1865, and questions arose almost immediately. Was Booth solely responsible for the assassination? Or was Booth simply a tool in a much larger conspiracy? Just who may or may not have been involved with Booth has been the subject of profound speculation among writers, historians, and others for over 140 years now. With the publication of new books and articles in the 1980's, 1990's, and beyond, the quest to find what really happened has continued. This page will attempt to outline the major conspiracy theories (in no particular order) that have been promulgated since 1865.
http://home.att.net/~rjnorton/Lincoln74.html |
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