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| Who do you think won the debate? |
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TexasPete
Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Koreatown
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| mithridates wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| DCJames wrote: |
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| Czarjorge wrote: |
Obama hasn't said he won't debate McCain. Obama refused the format that McCain proposed. McCain's 'town halls' are just an excuse for preselected soft ball questions. Obama has said that he would debate McCain in the standard format. McCain doesn't want to do that because Obama is younger, fitter, and taller than McCain. McCain would look terrible standing side by side with Obama. Additionally, McCain's glibness would look bad when juxtaposed against Obama's thoughtfulness.
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Obama has reneged after commiting to appear with McCain at a series of town hall events. True, McCain did propose this format, but Obama did accept. This makes Obama look bad. |
Agreed. Obama is about as available to the press as Bush is, and he likes his format to be his format. Obama has a habit of flip-flopping, which is not saved by the fact that McCain wavers back and forth on the issues he represents even moreso.
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DCJames wrote:
Apparently McCain got the questions beforehand and wasn't in a "cone of silence" as Pastor Warren claimed he was in.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/17/02247/6361
This is your evidence? Have you ever considered getting your information from a real news source? |
DailyKos? Seriously? I mean you might as well go through Obama HQ. Obama HQ is probably just as biased but has more credibility.
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Calm down. Don't get your panties in a knot to quickly.
I didn't quote Daily KOS's commentary / opinions about the debate.
I used the site simply because it was the ONLY SITE that that had the video of McCain answering before he was asked the questions. |
It wasn't meant as an attack on anything you've said. I just wanted to express my disdain for DailyKos.
Yes, it is a useful video. But as I have said before, this doesn't necessarily prove that McCain had an edge on Obama. I don't think McCain knew the answers that Obama gave to the questions. In that respect, he may well have been in a 'cone of silence' (props to Warren for the Get Smart reference). Rather, I think both had at least some idea of the questions they would be asked beforehand. I'd find it very hard to believe either would agree to the format if they had not been provided the questions previously. |
I read that the first two of them were provided beforehand. That's interesting because of Obama's mention of his grandmother (the other poster is wrong by the way - it was his wife, his grandmother and then a list of both Democrats and Republicans, not just the first two) as someone that would have influence on his decisionmaking process because that was one of the ones provided beforehand, which means the campaign obviously thought it would be the right answer to give, not just spur of the moment. |
Pastor Rick Warren himself admits that McCain didn't show up to the church until a half hour into Obama's interview (click on the video in the link)
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/18/mccain-not-in-the-cone-fo-silence-at-warrens-forum-and-he-lied-about-it-on-tv/
Whether or not he heard anything is debatable, but McCain or at least Warren himself appears not to have been abiding by the rules of the debate. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I would say McCain won. Obama's answer to the question "who would your advisors be?" was wife, grandmother, and Teddy Kennedy. |
Turns out they were asked different questions:
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QUESTION TO OBAMA: These first set of questions deal with your personal life as a leader and I�m not going to do this with any other segment, but as pastor I�ve got some verses that have to do with leadership. The first issue is the area of listening. There is a verse in Proverbs that says fools think they need no advice but the wise listen to other people. Who are the wisest three people you know in your life and who are you going to rely on heavily in your administration?
QUESTION TO MCCAIN: This first question deals with leadership and the personal life of leadership. First question, who were the three wisest people that you know that you would rely on heavily in an administration? |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Good interview. I like how Hannity just out of the blue brings up a plug for his book. Er...I wrote a book too and it's kind of like yours, anyway back to the question... |
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DCJames
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| TexasPete wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| DCJames wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| ytuque wrote: |
| Czarjorge wrote: |
Obama hasn't said he won't debate McCain. Obama refused the format that McCain proposed. McCain's 'town halls' are just an excuse for preselected soft ball questions. Obama has said that he would debate McCain in the standard format. McCain doesn't want to do that because Obama is younger, fitter, and taller than McCain. McCain would look terrible standing side by side with Obama. Additionally, McCain's glibness would look bad when juxtaposed against Obama's thoughtfulness.
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Obama has reneged after commiting to appear with McCain at a series of town hall events. True, McCain did propose this format, but Obama did accept. This makes Obama look bad. |
Agreed. Obama is about as available to the press as Bush is, and he likes his format to be his format. Obama has a habit of flip-flopping, which is not saved by the fact that McCain wavers back and forth on the issues he represents even moreso.
| ytuque wrote: |
DCJames wrote:
Apparently McCain got the questions beforehand and wasn't in a "cone of silence" as Pastor Warren claimed he was in.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/17/02247/6361
This is your evidence? Have you ever considered getting your information from a real news source? |
DailyKos? Seriously? I mean you might as well go through Obama HQ. Obama HQ is probably just as biased but has more credibility.
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Calm down. Don't get your panties in a knot to quickly.
I didn't quote Daily KOS's commentary / opinions about the debate.
I used the site simply because it was the ONLY SITE that that had the video of McCain answering before he was asked the questions. |
It wasn't meant as an attack on anything you've said. I just wanted to express my disdain for DailyKos.
Yes, it is a useful video. But as I have said before, this doesn't necessarily prove that McCain had an edge on Obama. I don't think McCain knew the answers that Obama gave to the questions. In that respect, he may well have been in a 'cone of silence' (props to Warren for the Get Smart reference). Rather, I think both had at least some idea of the questions they would be asked beforehand. I'd find it very hard to believe either would agree to the format if they had not been provided the questions previously. |
I read that the first two of them were provided beforehand. That's interesting because of Obama's mention of his grandmother (the other poster is wrong by the way - it was his wife, his grandmother and then a list of both Democrats and Republicans, not just the first two) as someone that would have influence on his decisionmaking process because that was one of the ones provided beforehand, which means the campaign obviously thought it would be the right answer to give, not just spur of the moment. |
Pastor Rick Warren himself admits that McCain didn't show up to the church until a half hour into Obama's interview (click on the video in the link)
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/18/mccain-not-in-the-cone-fo-silence-at-warrens-forum-and-he-lied-about-it-on-tv/
Whether or not he heard anything is debatable, but McCain or at least Warren himself appears not to have been abiding by the rules of the debate. |
McCain's camp is admitting they weren't in the "cone of silence", but they're refusing to answer whether they used blackberries / cellphones / car radio to get the specific questions.
Pastor Warren seems like a shill for McCain and it was like a reunion of the "ole boys network" when McCain was being interviewed. Warren refused to keep him accountable for actually answering the questions and allowed McCain to stump without time restraints.
Both of them are dirtbags. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Good interview. I like how Hannity just out of the blue brings up a plug for his book. Er...I wrote a book too and it's kind of like yours, anyway back to the question... |
haha...and how he asked him the same questions as they used on Sat. nite. DOH!!! |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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McCain's camp is admitting they weren't in the "cone of silence", but they're refusing to answer whether they used blackberries / cellphones / car radio to get the specific questions.
Pastor Warren seems like a shill for McCain and it was like a reunion of the "ole boys network" when McCain was being interviewed. Warren refused to keep him accountable for actually answering the questions and allowed McCain to stump without time restraints.
Both of them are dirtbags. |
Obviously a case of sour grapes. Probably won't answer the question because it's so ridiculous.
Do it again with McCain first. Easy solution to the problem.
Obviously, they are both heroes and they both deserve a huge amount of respect. |
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