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nateium
Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| [What men were barred? |
We don't knowfrom the story. Only one woman was told "we don't allow big women." She wasn't told "we don't allow only fat women, but fat men are ok." See the difference?
You'd have to prove it was limited only to women, and not just a rogue bouncers discression, but an official club policy. It would also have to be in the US.
Also, being "sexist and objectifying women in a blatant manner" is not illegal in every case; certainly not in a club. It happens every day.
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nateium
Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| why should I, as a male, be told to only dance with thing men. |
You don't get it do you?? You can go to a different club with all the fat girls you can handle.
(There's probably also a club where you can dance with "thin men" too  ) |
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merkurix
Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Location: Not far from the deep end.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
NO FAT WOMEN
WHY CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!!!
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I'm not sure that at the moment a "NO FAT WOMEN" sign would actually be illegal. At least not a "NO FAT PEOPLE" sign. Many posters in this thread seem to be confused about illegal/legal vs right and wrong.
What laws exist at the moment to protect the rights of the obese? in what circumstances?
Besides, obese is a lifestyle choice. ASian, Black, female is not. |
This is gender based discrimination not only based simply on appearance since it only focuses on the appearance of women. What men were barred? So, in a sense, this policy was sexist and involved objectifying women in a blatant manner. Granted, we objectify women in the media, and we take it for granted, but these guys did it very blatantly, and got flack for it. Anyway, if a man doesn't want to dance with a chubby woman or if he wants to take her home, that is his business. Many women in England are not skinny. Everyone knows that, but many of them are still rather attractive. I think some women who are clearly on the chubby side are attractive or might be great women to talk to, so why should I, as a male, be told to only dance with thing men. |
This (in bold) sounds like a contradiction. Ultimately, their sex didn't really matter. It was their looks. Yes, there is objectification, but if gender discrimination is going to be your measuring stick, I can claim that I have been discriminated numerous times (i.e. 'hot' women being let ahead of the queue in a popular night club; and especially those darned discriminatory "ladies' nights" and "ladies' drink specials" they keep having; as a man, I feel really discriminated against). |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| As far as ladies' night, that is discriminatory. I don't think it's a big deal as a man. The goal is to have more women in the clubs, because not enough women go, and men want women in the clubs. Of course, you can argue against ladies' night, but how many men are arguing over it? This night club apologized for what they did. Why did they do that? It is basically viewed socially unacceptable while ladies' night is socially acceptable. That is part of the equation. In Korea, it is so normal to discriminate against overweight women in a blatant way. In our societies, it is not. Now, if a club only barred overweight women, but not overweight women, then you could have a suit based on gender discrimination. What do you think about that? Do you think if such a thing happened that the plaintiffs would win? Anyway, I don't like clubs that discriminate based on gender, race, height, dress size or whatever... |
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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| Any private business should have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. |
You mean like if they're black or Jewish or something? |
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greedy_bones
Joined: 01 Jul 2007
Location: not quite sure anymore
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: |
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| It is basically viewed socially unacceptable while ladies' night is socially acceptable. |
That is exactly what the problem is. Socially unacceptable should not mean illegal. If I walk up to someone and tell them they're ugly, it's not socially acceptable, but should I be sued or have some sort of penalty imposed on me? There are so many things that are unacceptable in any society, and to legislate all of these things is not only insane and time wasting but it's also a path towards authoritarianism. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| R. S. Refugee wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Any private business should have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. |
You mean like if they're black or Jewish or something? |
Yes, in a free society.
But in the US, one can't do that. However, a private club can refuse entry to people they deem aesthetically undesirable, still.
I'm sure one day we will have affirmative action in clubs for fat people (who will be the clear, massive majority). A social worker can stand at the door and make sure that for every thin, in shape person 8 fatties are let in, so that the make up of the club reflects that of the society. Thin people will then stand in a corner together, hence violating egalitarianism. The social worker will then assign them to a group of fatties for equality sake. |
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