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i4NI
Joined: 17 May 2008
Location: Seoul
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| This is a great list of verbs to learn for beginners.. but i think it should be noted that using the 다 form, as in sticking it on the end, is really only written form. |
It's usually only the written, or infinitive form. But, it's also used often in statements.
Some examples are:
아 좋겠다!
아 맛이겠다!
여기 있다!
아 찾았다!
외국사람 이다!
But, you are right, the most usable form to learn is the polite present, with the ending of __yo. |
Its only 다 when it's an adjective. Otherwise you gotta add the 은/는 form for the verbs.
For example:
한다
간다
etc
You're using the past tense which means u don't have to add the (으)ㄴ/는 to the past tense form. |
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zappadelta
Joined: 31 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| i4NI wrote: |
| zappadelta wrote: |
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| This is a great list of verbs to learn for beginners.. but i think it should be noted that using the 다 form, as in sticking it on the end, is really only written form. |
It's usually only the written, or infinitive form. But, it's also used often in statements.
Some examples are:
아 좋겠다!
아 맛이겠다!
여기 있다!
아 찾았다!
외국사람 이다!
But, you are right, the most usable form to learn is the polite present, with the ending of __yo. |
Its only 다 when it's an adjective. Otherwise you gotta add the 은/는 form for the verbs.
For example:
한다
간다
etc
You're using the past tense which means u don't have to add the (으)ㄴ/는 to the past tense form. |
My final 3 examples are verbs. This is used when the speaker is making a statement, talking to themselves, not to another. For example, when a kid is doing a word search puzzle, and finds a word, they will say '아 찾았다!' - 'I found it!' - He is talking to himself. |
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twilczynski
Joined: 22 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| zappadelta wrote: |
My final 3 examples are verbs. This is used when the speaker is making a statement, talking to themselves, not to another. For example, when a kid is doing a word search puzzle, and finds a word, they will say '아 찾았다!' - 'I found it!' - He is talking to himself. |
Not really. For example:
A: 어디 가?
B: 집에 간다. |
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zappadelta
Joined: 31 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:06 am Post subject: |
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| twilczynski wrote: |
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My final 3 examples are verbs. This is used when the speaker is making a statement, talking to themselves, not to another. For example, when a kid is doing a word search puzzle, and finds a word, they will say '아 찾았다!' - 'I found it!' - He is talking to himself. |
Not really. For example:
A: 어디 가?
B: 집에 간다. |
What is your point?
A: 어디 가? - no -다 here
B: 집에 간다. - this is casual, present continuous tense. This is not -다, this is verb + ㄴ + 다. |
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twilczynski
Joined: 22 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| zappadelta wrote: |
| twilczynski wrote: |
| zappadelta wrote: |
My final 3 examples are verbs. This is used when the speaker is making a statement, talking to themselves, not to another. For example, when a kid is doing a word search puzzle, and finds a word, they will say '아 찾았다!' - 'I found it!' - He is talking to himself. |
Not really. For example:
A: 어디 가?
B: 집에 간다. |
What is your point?
A: 어디 가? - no -다 here
B: 집에 간다. - this is casual, present continuous tense. This is not -다, this is verb + ㄴ + 다. |
My point is that this construction is not only limited to talking to yourself but can be used in any affirmative sentence in informal speech.
집에 갔어. = 집에 갔다.
책 찾았어. = 책 찾았다.
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i4NI
Joined: 17 May 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| zappadelta wrote: |
| i4NI wrote: |
| zappadelta wrote: |
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| This is a great list of verbs to learn for beginners.. but i think it should be noted that using the 다 form, as in sticking it on the end, is really only written form. |
It's usually only the written, or infinitive form. But, it's also used often in statements.
Some examples are:
아 좋겠다!
아 맛이겠다!
여기 있다!
아 찾았다!
외국사람 이다!
But, you are right, the most usable form to learn is the polite present, with the ending of __yo. |
Its only 다 when it's an adjective. Otherwise you gotta add the 은/는 form for the verbs.
For example:
한다
간다
etc
You're using the past tense which means u don't have to add the (으)ㄴ/는 to the past tense form. |
My final 3 examples are verbs. This is used when the speaker is making a statement, talking to themselves, not to another. For example, when a kid is doing a word search puzzle, and finds a word, they will say '아 찾았다!' - 'I found it!' - He is talking to himself. |
I was correcting this fact: " but i think it should be noted that using the 다 form, as in sticking it on the end, is really only written form."
It's not just adding 다. The rule I believe is:
-(으)ㄴ/는 -for present verbs
-다 - for past tense, 겠 form, and adjectives.
-(theres another future tense style by I have to look it up).
It is written form, but also a low form exclamatory statement, which can be used when talking to yourself.
Also someone said it is the infinitive form, but I believe that is incorrect, the infinitive form in Korean is 기, as in '먹기'
'먹기 싫어' - i hate to eat |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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Great thread. I actually read through it all.
Three things I've found helpful:
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A book called "Reading Korean for beginners" published by Hollym.
It is part of a series which is divided into speaking, listening, reading and writing.
I haven't looked at the other books in the series, so I don't know about them, but the reading book is very good for reviewing some basics.
A lot of it is review for me, but I was surprised by what was new.
I've been studying off and on for 6 years and it's amazing how much of this stuff I didn't know yet. What I liked about it was that it focused less on grammar but more on function and usage in context.
2) The LSK video lessons on youtube. There are 3 different series.
The Old series, which is good for some basics and formal grammar stuctures. There are 60 lessons in this series, divided into 2 parts each.
The "let's Speak Korean" series with Steven and Lisa ...not the best format, but they do a lot of work with informal speech and short forms.
(they are a bit to chatty for my taste and I've had to watch some of them 5 or more times to be able to retain anything) There are over 250 vids in this series.
The "2007 lsk lesson ___" series are better, more focused, but I still get annoyed at some of the cheesy antics of the hosts. There are 200 vids in this series....unless some new ones have been uploaded.
3) A book called "English 3030 vol 1". It's actually for Koreans to learn English, but you can use it in reverse. It uses a lot of the short forms that Koreans use in everyday speech and it separates sentences into
types like command sentences, abilty, present continuous, past simple
etc. It is a bit boring though and you have to be pretty fluent at reading hanguel to use it. It does come with tapes to help with pronunciation, but they are pretty fast.
I hope this is helpful to someone. |
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| i4NI wrote: |
Also someone said it is the infinitive form, but I believe that is incorrect, the infinitive form in Korean is 기, as in '먹기'
'먹기 싫어' - i hate to eat |
Actually, it means "I hate/don't like eating" |
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i4NI
Joined: 17 May 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| i4NI wrote: |
Also someone said it is the infinitive form, but I believe that is incorrect, the infinitive form in Korean is 기, as in '먹기'
'먹기 싫어' - i hate to eat |
Actually, it means "I hate/don't like eating" |
Let me get the definition of this grammar out of a textbook.
Speaking Korean by Francis Park, pg 197
"The English equivalent of this pattern is '-ing' or the infinitive 'to(do).'
"가르치기가 쉽습니다." - It is easy to teach. Or: Teaching is easy. |
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Easter Clark
Joined: 18 Nov 2007
Location: Hiding from Yie Eun-woong
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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Don't call someone "bad guy" or "bad girl" in Korean. The other night I jokingly called my gf "나쁘년" (when translated literally, means "bad girl"), which means "bitch" in Korean!  "나쁘넘" (not sure about the spelling) means "asshole" from what I gather. |
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| i4NI wrote: |
| samd wrote: |
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Also someone said it is the infinitive form, but I believe that is incorrect, the infinitive form in Korean is 기, as in '먹기'
'먹기 싫어' - i hate to eat |
Actually, it means "I hate/don't like eating" |
Let me get the definition of this grammar out of a textbook.
Speaking Korean by Francis Park, pg 197
"The English equivalent of this pattern is '-ing' or the infinitive 'to(do).'
"가르치기가 쉽습니다." - It is easy to teach. Or: Teaching is easy. |
Just because the English equivalent of that pattern can be the English infinitive 'to do' doesn't make that the pattern the Korean infinitive. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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I really wish I had Hangeul on this computer...argh.
Here's a question:
What does ......."blah blah.... i go deun yo" mean? (sentence ending)
I've been told it means the same as "issoyo" but I find that strange. |
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i4NI
Joined: 17 May 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:10 am Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
I really wish I had Hangeul on this computer...argh.
Here's a question:
What does ......."blah blah.... i go deun yo" mean? (sentence ending)
I've been told it means the same as "issoyo" but I find that strange. |
A/V+거든요 right? That means because~.
A: 왜 학교에 안 가세요? (why aren't you going to school?)
B: 수업이 없거든요. (Because there's no class) |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:23 am Post subject: |
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Thank you ever so much.
Gomapsumnida.
You are a gentleman/woman and a scholar.
Cheers |
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i4NI
Joined: 17 May 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| samd wrote: |
| i4NI wrote: |
| samd wrote: |
| i4NI wrote: |
Also someone said it is the infinitive form, but I believe that is incorrect, the infinitive form in Korean is 기, as in '먹기'
'먹기 싫어' - i hate to eat |
Actually, it means "I hate/don't like eating" |
Let me get the definition of this grammar out of a textbook.
Speaking Korean by Francis Park, pg 197
"The English equivalent of this pattern is '-ing' or the infinitive 'to(do).'
"가르치기가 쉽습니다." - It is easy to teach. Or: Teaching is easy. |
Just because the English equivalent of that pattern can be the English infinitive 'to do' doesn't make that the pattern the Korean infinitive. |
What is the infinitive form then? Because you NEVER use the original form of verbs like 하다, 오다, (etc) only in definition/dictionary form, note even 하다 is NOT the written form, 한다 is the written form.
Also (infinitives) "function as other lexical categories � usually nouns � within the clauses that contain them, for example by serving as the subject of another verb."
Show me a valid reference that says what the infinitive form in Korean is. Because I don't think there is no other way to say "to (verb)" like an infinitive except for the -기 form.
Look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinitive
Here is a definition of infinitive :
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a verb form found in many languages that functions as a noun or is used with auxiliary verbs, and that names the action or state without specifying the subject, as French venir �to come,� Latin esse �to be,� fuisse �to have been.�
2.(in English) the simple or basic form of the verb, as come, take, eat, be, used after auxiliary verbs, as in I didn't come, He must be, or this simple form preceded by a function word, as to in I want to eat. |
(http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/infinitive) |
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