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stevieg4ever
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England
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Because dogs are tortured in such a Draconian and inhumane way it is almost unbearable to speak of.
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This is so sad. I had no idea there were so many dog farms. It really is sad just thinking about it.
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Could you explain why dog farms are sadder than pig or cow farms? |
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stevieg4ever
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:07 am Post subject: |
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And would you believe their audacity that they actually do all this in front of the other dogs to actually scare them even further. They also drop them into tubs of boiling water as well.
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This is so sad. I had no idea there were so many dog farms. It really is sad just thinking about it.
Wylies, weren't you the one that told me that they beat the dogs to death b/c the endrolin goes up making the meat a good aphrodisiac for men to get a hard on., right??
What kind of dogs do they have as livestock? |
It wasn't me that told you, but it's true. They hang the dogs and beat them for hours. |
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wanamin
Joined: 14 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:47 am Post subject: |
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| stevieg4ever wrote: |
| Because dogs are tortured in such a Draconian and inhumane way it is almost unbearable to speak of. |
Umm.. I call Bullsh*t.
While some people may torture dogs before they are killed, I did see a dog get quickly, (relatively) painlessly executed in Moran.
Although I wouldn't call his death hygienic.
That being said, I have never tasted dog stew, although, as a non-vegetarian, I wouldn't rule it out. The slaughter was disgusting though. I had to run away, and still, was barely able to hold the contents of my stomach.
Do you really think all pig and cow farms kill their animals humanly?
The reason people torture animals before they kill and eat them isn't because of some made up superstition, its because torturing them releases chemicals into their muscles (posthumously called meat) that supposedly makes it more tender and tasty.
While torturing ANY living thing is wrong, it's hypocritical to single out dog farmers. It also smacks of cultural insensitivity, esp. the 'magical power' bit (Centralcali). Animals are animals. Either we can eat them or we can't.
Just because we don't eat dog where you or I come from doesn't make it morally wrong.
If torture is really your only problem with this industry, then would a law prohibiting torture (that was enforced) solve your qualms?
Regulate it's safety, and enforce the anti-torture laws that are already on the books.
Problem solved. |
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:24 am Post subject: |
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Just because we don't eat dog where you or I come from doesn't make it morally wrong.
If torture is really your only problem with this industry, then would a law prohibiting torture (that was enforced) solve your qualms? |
How about the torture of other animals? Or can you justify that as well?
Torturing bears and cats? Utterly barbaric and savage and all in the name of Korean medical hocus pocus. I guess I am culturally insensitive for protesting against the slaughter of endangered species as well?
I have never heard of them dropping dogs into boiling water. They do that to cats though in order to make something called "Cat juice". It is supposed to be a health drink that can help with various ailments including arthritis. Mind you, this is a country that liked to consume powdered rhino horns because they are shaped like a d*ck.  (Thankfully they have "apparently" stopped that custom)
�Rhinoceros horn,� wrote Judy Mills in 1993, �is an ingredient
in five� medicines still popular among doctors of Oriental medicine in Korea today. These
rhinoceros horn derivatives are used to treat maladies including stroke, nosebleeds,
dermatitis, headache, facial paralysis, high blood pressure, and coma. The most popular of
these medicines is Woo Hwang Chang Shim Won, a medicine ball made from rhinoceros
horn, musk, cow gallstones, and a number of herbs.� In 1992, after the US government
threatened to impose sanctions via the Pelly Amendment on South Korea for failure to police
the trade in rhino horn, the price of rhino horn in South Korea doubled. Among the some
7,000 doctors licensed to practice Korean medicine in South Korea (no figures are available
for North Korea), there was little diminution of prescriptions written for Woo Hwang Chang
Shim Won after 1992. In fact, it is not clear that the use of rhino horn for medicinal purposes
has decreased at all.
Indeed, it is not clear that rhino horn serves any medicinal purpose whatsoever, but it is a
testimony to the power of tradition that millions of people believe that it does. Of course, if
people want to believe in prayer, acupuncture or voodoo as a cure for what ails them, there is
no reason why they shouldn�t, but if animals are being killed to provide nostrums that have
been shown to be useless, then there is a very good reason to curtail the use of rhino horn.
There are five species of rhinoceros, and with the exception of one subspecies of the African
white rhino, all are in danger of being hunted to extinction for their horns. Rhinos as we know
them have been around for millions of years, but Dr H. Sapiens has created a predicament
from which they might never recover. It is heartbreaking to realise that the world�s rhinos are
being eliminated from the face of the earth in the name of medications that probably don�t
work.
http://www.biaza.org.uk/public/images/campaigns/rhinoDocs/chinese.pdf
Or this for ajosshis that can't get it up:
Tiger *beep* - The tiger *beep* is much revered as an aphrodisiac in China, Taiwan and South Korea. The price of soup made from the supposed aphrodisiac, tiger penises, can reach $350 a bowl.
http://www.disabled-world.com/artman/publish/aphrodisiacs.shtml
Or torturing bears for their bile. Totally inexcusable 
A moon bear called Jasper
27 June 2007
On Wednesday 27 June at the beautiful RHS Garden, David Shepherd's first ever painting of a moon bear will be auctioned in association with Animals Asia Foundation, to raise funds to end the barbaric farming of bears
Hell of a cure
Like thousands of endangered moon bears across China, Jasper spent his life crushed in a tiny cage, unable to move, and never seeing the light of day. 15 tortured years of relentless pain and frustrated biting on the bars that were denying him his freedom, left him with appalling suppurating wounds, hair loss and drastically worn teeth and claws.
Moon bears are imprisoned in hundreds of hellish factory farms throughout China, Vietnam and South Korea due to the insatiable consumer demand for bear bile in traditional oriental medicine. The bears are milked for their bile through rusting metal catheters pushed deep into their gall bladders, or via ghastly "free-drip" holes in their abdomens, where bile and infection constantly drip out.
In Chinese pharmacopoeia bear bile is termed as a 'cold' medicine to treat 'heat' related illnesses such as fevers, sore eyes and liver complaints despite readily available and equally efficacious synthetic and herbal alternatives. All that these bears know is appalling suffering and unspeakable fear.
Jasper was one of the very first bears rescued by Animals Asia Foundation Founder, Jill Robinson, when she originally uncovered this barbaric trade. His were some of the first eyes staring pleadingly back at her from his cage.
Despite years of horrific physical and mental abuse, following extensive abdominal surgery and round the clock intensive care at AAF's Chengdu Sanctuary, Jasper began his slow recovery. It wasn't long before he showed his true sweet and forgiving nature. After years of agony, Jasper's affection for bears and people alike humbles us all.
Today, Jasper is one of the friendliest bears at Chengdu � spending his days tumbling around in the sunshine in his huge natural forest enclosure with his friends, before collapsing into his cosy hanging basket, happy and contented.
http://www.operationcharm.org/events/20070627.jsp
Cats are also consumed in S. Korea. Pets and strays are repeatedly bludgeoned with hammers or placed in sacks, which are then pounded on the ground. Often, while still alive, the cats are thrown into large pots of boiling water and cooked with ginger, dates and chestnuts until liquefied to a brown paste called goyangi soju, or "cat juice," which dealers claim will cure rheumatism. Dr. Kim, Sung Yun, a medical doctor and professor researching rheumatoid arthritis at Hanyang Medical School, said in a Chosunilbo newspaper article that "cats are absolutely not effective in the treatment of arthritis. It's a myth." However, even research such as this has done little to dispel the myth.
http://www.all-creatures.org/aip/nl-5mar2001-korea.html
Ghandi was a very wise man:
�The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.�
Mahatma Gandhi |
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garykasparov
Joined: 27 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:36 am Post subject: |
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Guri Guy,
Are you done venting your anger? |
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Who's venting? Why don't you address the issue?
I feel sad more than anything... |
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thiophene
Joined: 15 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:45 am Post subject: |
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A few weeks ago I went to a dog farm my aunt owns and I was actually surprosingly impressed. I thought dogs were stuffed in tiny cages and fed poopy food...all that propaganda maybe...but these dogs I saw were in their own maybe 1.5 cubic meter cells, not unlike the cells pets are in in pet stores. Dogs with little pups were given this bigger cell (maybe 2 cubic meters) to stay at with their pups. I didnt' get a good look at the size of the grates on the bottom though. Not that it excuses anything though and I know not all farms are like this but I thought they were treated pretty well. all looked like big healthy dogs youd see at someone's house. NOt sure what breed, I'm not good with dogs, but sort of like a great dane but smaller...rotweiler? I dont know.
Just wanted to share that. |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Location: Classified
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| nolegirl wrote: |
This is so sad. I had no idea there were so many dog farms. It really is sad just thinking about it.
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I guess you're a vegetarian then, eh cupcake?
I think cows in the meadow are pretty cute, too. That doesn't stop me from enjoying my bi-weekly 22oz porterhouse. God bless Texas.
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Wylies, weren't you the one that told me that they beat the dogs to death b/c the endrolin goes up making the meat a good aphrodisiac for men to get a hard on., right??
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Elegantly stated. And punctuated.
It seems like you're getting along better and better out there. I pray I adapt to the lifestyle so well as you have. You go, girl!
Peace and hair grease. |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:02 am Post subject: |
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| Sure. The dogs are brutalized as the local belief is that the brutal treatment itself is what gives the meat its magical power. There's no such belief about the pigs and cows so they're treated much better than the dogs. Oh, and before you ask, yes, I am vegetarian. |
Vegetarian and against capital punishment. But not a liberal. 
Mindestens Sie sprechen Deutsches.  |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:14 am Post subject: |
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That's right. Ovo-lacto-vegetarian and against capital punishment. One would hope you realize that there are quite a lot more issues in politics than those two. And you don't know my reasons for being a vegetarian; it just may not be political at all.
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| Mindestens Sie sprechen Deutsches |
Of course. I have many German relatives. |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:43 am Post subject: |
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I know that there are more political issues out there than those. You just keep popping up on the left, that's all. @#$%&*@ liberal.
* Ich scherze, Sie verstehe. |
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garykasparov
Joined: 27 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:26 am Post subject: |
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Who's venting? Why don't you address the issue?
I feel sad more than anything... |
Has the thought of seeing a counselor crossed your mind? It would be healthy for you to let it (sadness) all out. I think the issue in this thread is impacting your work, state of mind, and how you play Dungeons and Dragons. |
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Bryan
Joined: 29 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:33 am Post subject: Re: Dog Farms Under Sanitation Rules |
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According to the ministry, there are about 720,000 dog farms nationwide, raising some 2.3 million dogs as of December of 2005. The ministry estimated one third of them must follow the new regulations.
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What?
So the average "dog farm" has 3 dogs?
Do they include regular households as dog farms? LOL.
Currently, my dog farm has one dog. His name's Wishbone and he sleeps in my bed. |
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wanamin
Joined: 14 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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Guri Guy,
You're NOT reading what I wrote!!!
As I made *crystal* clear in my post:
Torturing ANY SINGLE animal is wrong, bad, reprehensible!!!!!
We are in FULL agreement on this point.
Eating ANY animal is not.
So YES..... to me, eating a bear, or a cat, is the moral equivalent of eating a hamburger. As long as the bear, or the cat, or the cow were NOT tortured, what is the problem???? Just because your culture doesn't eat cat, don't get all high and mighty and say there is something wrong with it. They only animals I *might* make an exception for is primates, as we are so closely related. And endangered species. |
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nolegirl
Joined: 17 Apr 2008
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| ReeseDog wrote: |
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This is so sad. I had no idea there were so many dog farms. It really is sad just thinking about it.
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I guess you're a vegetarian then, eh cupcake?
I think cows in the meadow are pretty cute, too. That doesn't stop me from enjoying my bi-weekly 22oz porterhouse. God bless Texas.
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Wylies, weren't you the one that told me that they beat the dogs to death b/c the endrolin goes up making the meat a good aphrodisiac for men to get a hard on., right??
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Elegantly stated. And punctuated.
It seems like you're getting along better and better out there. I pray I adapt to the lifestyle so well as you have. You go, girl!
Peace and hair grease. |
Thanks Reesedog, and I am not a vegetarian though, thank God
I love a good steak just as much as the next person but dogs are a mans and womans best friend.
A cow won't run up to you and be really excited your home and give you kisses, a cow just says moooo all day. A dog defends you and your home or at least they try with good effort. A cow you can just tip over, haha!!
I do feel bad for pigs and cows but I have come to the conclusion if I don't eat the meat it will just go to waste. Thats my theory and I am sticking to it!!!
And really the inhumane way they treat the dogs is just so sad. I mean if they were just killing it, ok, but they beat it. I ma against eating dogs as a meal and I think when the younger generation gets old this to shall pass... |
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