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doc_ido
Joined: 03 Sep 2007
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 Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
The above info does not invalidate the OP. The OP is comparing the birth rate of women who ARE receiving public assistance with those who ARE NOT receiving public assistance.
Your side note only lets us know that the data had variations. All this additional data tells us is that some states were even WORSE than the OP indicates and others were not as bad. |
Poster, please.
The OP is selectively quoting from a study to make it appear that there is a direct relationship between receipt of public assistance and rate of birth. The study itself points out that, for several reasons, there is no implied causality.
Now, it may be that women who are receiving public assistance do have higher birth rates than women who are not. But you cannot draw those conclusions based on the data in that study (as the study itself states).
There's nothing wrong with discussing topics such as this, but if you're going to back your arguments up with studies then they should be valid for the argument you're making. For example, I could probably "prove" that the size of the wheat harvest in the Midwest USA is directly proportional to the amount of cold noodles consumed in Seoul - the data would be statistically correct, but you can't imply causation just from correlation. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| peppermint wrote: |
| I suspect sex ed, and not just the "abstinence only" variety that's currently in favor would bring these numbers down as would subsidizing birth control pills. Education in general is also a good idea, so long as there are jobs available, so it can be put to use. |
The birth control idea is gold. Pharmacists should be empowered to dispense the stuff. They should have to encourage the female to get a pap and see a Dr. but if she refuses for whatever reason she should be given it. For free. Nothing will ruin a woman's financial future like a kid at the wrong time. |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
And what gives the government the right to steal money from a hard working single mother with one or more children who supports herself and pays taxes and give it to some lazy welfare queen who has several and one in the oven because she never wants to work, her mother never worked, her brothers and sisters have never worked and she knows she can survive by making more babies? (A famous case, this woman was on Phil Dohohue long ago: huge family, many siblings, a dozen or so children of her own, and pregnant again. No one in her extended family had ever held more than a temporary job.) |
Ah but, ontheway, working single moms get MORE back on tax refunds than they pay in. Ever heard of Earned Income Credit? So while the lazy welfare queen may be getting one over, it's not from single working moms. For years, I got over a thousand or more as an incentive to work. You better believe I took their money. 
And the temporary jobs are what the system requires to keep them on welfare. After two years of freebies, working a minimum of twenty-hours a week is mandatory or they lose it. That's what keeps employers like Walmart happy, because they don't have to offer benefits (health ins) to part-timers. Ta-dah... the state does that for them too.
I can tell you a personal anecdote that an ex-prison guard at Rikers Island, NYC told me once: Some girls coming in there get themselves arrested on purpose for the free abortion. It was their 'birth-control' method. (Abortion, an issue not to be skirted)
From my own experience, I gave birth on the Fed's dime. Cost me about $12.00 on a navy base in Florida. That was for the meals I was served during my day and a half stay. (Health Care, another issue here) |
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