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Tjames426
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 Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject: China and the US |
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The US and China have had a long term consistant relationship.
The US gave massive aid to China during WW2. US personnel visited Mao in China in his enclave. That was remembered by Mao; it helped the Nixon / Mao meetings in the 1970s.
Missionaries from the US helped millions by providing medical services, building schools, providing protection, and etc... . Recently, mainly US teacher missionaries have educated a whole generation of Chinese youth in English.
It is US money pouring into China that is building their economy, keeping their massive population somewhat satisfied despite horrific problems.
The US gave the Chinese missile technology to send satellites into space.
From this past, the Chinese and US understand each other very well. There are conservative extremists on both sides, but the relationship is stable. US diplomats working in Beijing grew up as children of parents working in China.
Neither the US nor China have any direct strategic conflict. They are in different hemispheres. They do have competition in gathering needed resources for their economies. The Chinese are building up protective bases and sea lanes where their resources flow. In this way, they are acting much like the Japanese pre-WW2. But then, every country has a right to defend itself.
As long as the US does not threaten those sea lanes or resouces, there will be no war. Japan's focus was on Asia in WW2. Japan attacked US interests only after the US threatened Japan's needed resources.
The Iraq war gives secondary benefit to both Russia and China. Russia has less problems in that troublesome southern province. China has less problems in the Northwest. All the Muslim terrorist types want to move to Iraq / Afghanistan. For both, the war keeps the superpower US focused not on them. Of course, they want that to continue!
China has more issues internally. China has more potential border problems. The US knows full well that it is the "strawman evil empire" in the PRC press when they need to divert from internal issues.
Why mess up beneficial relationship of mutual interest in so many areas? |
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: Chinese dragon awakens |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
We were planning on moving to Taiwan until my wife had a few dreams of the Chinese invading Taiwan.
Any thoughts? |
Your wife's dreams dictate your lives? Make sure she doesn't eat a bad burrito before bed. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:11 am Post subject: |
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This video freaks me out.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=x9QNKB34cJo
Just imagine if Quebec separated from Canada and we threatened to blow her up with bombs and tanks? |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
Russia.. haha.
China.. real strong haha.
Basically China wants to be in the exact same system as the US.. capitalistic and expanding its wealth and international trade.. export and all the rest. There isn't any political difference there anymore.. and any attack on the US would bring down the world economy they seem to be excelling at right now and into the forseeable future.
Russia is too beaten down to even consider wasting its time and energy destroying itself more.. and to what point? There is no threat to them from the US.
NK is a rougue state.. never heard of Russia or wanting to be involved with them these days. |
Still feel that way? |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 2:37 am Post subject: |
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All this talk about China invading Taiwan won't happen I think. Historically China has dealt with countries or areas that they thought were theirs or should be theirs on a client state basis. That or a vassal. Korea is a good example of that. Korea was a vassal of China for extended periods of time. As long as they didn't go against China and paid their taxes so to speak, they were left alone. Pretty good deal for Korea really. Access to China's superior technology and protection from big brother.
Taiwan I think is much the same. China doesn't want Taiwan to declare outright independence. I think they would prefer a vassal state relationship with them as well. The funny thing is that Taiwan has never been considered a part of China historically. It was only in the 1930's and 1940's that China ever started to make that claim.
Mind you, I could be full of crap. Looking at what they have done in Tibet.  |
China laid claims to Taiwan sometime in the 1500s. But, they did give it up pretty easily to the Japanese. However, I think worrying about preventing the European colonists from dividing up the mainland may have contributed to them handing Taiwan to Japan.
As for being a vassal. Virtually every single state in SE and E Asia had some kind of suzerain relationship with China at some point in their history. The most recent biggies were Korea and Vietnam. If China could have their way, they would control all of Asia one way or the other. Looks like they will economically. |
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SirFink
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: Chinese dragon awakens |
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The Washington Times is owned by Rev. Moon, a cult leader and all around scum bag who married a 15 year old girl when he was in his 70's. He's rabidly anti-communist and his publishing empire spews propaganda daily. Other than that, I'm sure the article brings up some fair points.  |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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So is the enquiry, but they took down John Edwards. Sometimes you can find the prophetic anywhere.  |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: Chinese dragon awakens |
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| SirFink wrote: |
The Washington Times is owned by Rev. Moon, a cult leader and all around scum bag who married a 15 year old girl when he was in his 70's. He's rabidly anti-communist and his publishing empire spews propaganda daily. Other than that, I'm sure the article brings up some fair points. |
Actually he was 40 years old, and the girl was 16 or 17. Pretty common back in the day. But, he's still a scum bag... |
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fiveeagles
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http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/04/news/international/powell_russia.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2008091008
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The Cold War was supposed to be history, a topic today's twentysomethings know about only from the classroom, not from doing duck-and-cover drills in elementary school, as their parents did. In the 17 years that have passed since the demise of the Soviet Union, any threat Russia posed had pretty much been relegated to defaulting on its debt.
But it's getting chilly again out there, isn't it? The world is coming to grips with Russia's response to an early-August attack on the disputed territory of South Ossetia by the former Soviet republic of Georgia. And it is clear that Moscow is baring its teeth in a way few thought ever to see again. Russia, stuffed to the brim with natural resources, was a country that the West had eagerly sought to bring into the global economy - as a partner. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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And here comes China:
With the 700 billion dollar bailout...starting moving your money out of the US. China which owns about 3 trillion dollars worth is about to become the world's superpower. |
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greedy_bones
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:56 am Post subject: |
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What about Iran and Venzuala?
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Iran??? I think Iran would be as likely to team up with Israel as it would be to team up with Russia or China. I think someone's been reading too many comic books and is confusing real countries with DC supervillains. |
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EzeWong
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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I took graduate level courses in Sino-US relationships during college.
Myself, particuarlly not learned on the topic and slightly outdated on current events, but I can say that the general consensus among the class, professor, and even guest speakers from China was that relationships with the US are stable to say the least. You really don't have much to fear from strategic alliances China is making with any other country whereas aggression from China might be more of a worry.
Although the Taiwan situtation which appeared two years ago has quelled and that was a major worry for the diplomatic community.
Personally, I would not be overly concerned about China's political stablity. They aren't the gun toting propgandists 30 years ago. Although still under PRC face, they are actuallly more like America in public policy minus the war and imperalism. |
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fiveeagles
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
What about Iran and Venzuala?
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Iran??? I think Iran would be as likely to team up with Israel as it would be to team up with Russia or China. I think someone's been reading too many comic books and is confusing real countries with DC supervillains. |
I hate your avator thus I can't reply to you anymore. You have wrecked my image of 007. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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I took graduate level courses in Sino-US relationships during college.
Myself, particuarlly not learned on the topic and slightly outdated on current events, but I can say that the general consensus among the class, professor, and even guest speakers from China was that relationships with the US are stable to say the least. You really don't have much to fear from strategic alliances China is making with any other country whereas aggression from China might be more of a worry.
Although the Taiwan situtation which appeared two years ago has quelled and that was a major worry for the diplomatic community.
Personally, I would not be overly concerned about China's political stablity. They aren't the gun toting propgandists 30 years ago. Although still under PRC face, they are actuallly more like America in public policy minus the war and imperalism. |
If things go south, for a number of reasons, it's easy to see a hard line communist party taking back power. |
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EzeWong
Joined: 26 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
| EzeWong wrote: |
I took graduate level courses in Sino-US relationships during college.
Myself, particuarlly not learned on the topic and slightly outdated on current events, but I can say that the general consensus among the class, professor, and even guest speakers from China was that relationships with the US are stable to say the least. You really don't have much to fear from strategic alliances China is making with any other country whereas aggression from China might be more of a worry.
Although the Taiwan situtation which appeared two years ago has quelled and that was a major worry for the diplomatic community.
Personally, I would not be overly concerned about China's political stablity. They aren't the gun toting propgandists 30 years ago. Although still under PRC face, they are actuallly more like America in public policy minus the war and imperalism. |
If things go south, for a number of reasons, it's easy to see a hard line communist party taking back power. |
I'd agree with that,
Well under major technicalites (as much as US is an "actual demorcacy") China is still communist. They maintain they are still marxist socialist and that they control the economy, but it's honestly a free market if not more so than western countries.
According to history, China has always maintained a strong hand in trying to control the people. At hard times that fall, it would be highly conceivable that they would revert back to Maoist methods (aka Iron Fist). But I highly doubt it as the enforcement coupled with globalization and human rights, would make it highly implausible to be as influential as they were.
They still have the power to repeat another Tianemen, but not another Cultural Revolution. |
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