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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: Michelle Delivers a Barnburner |
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And as I tuck that little girl and her little sister into bed at night, I think about how one day, they'll have families of their own. And one day, they � and your sons and daughters � will tell their own children about what we did together in this election. They'll tell them how this time, we listened to our hopes, instead of our fears. How this time, we decided to stop doubting and to start dreaming. How this time, in this great country � where a girl from the South Side of Chicago can go to college and law school, and the son of a single mother from Hawaii can go all the way to the White House � we committed ourselves to building the world as it should be.
I didn't see/hear it, I just read it, but it sounds like a barnburner to me. The next-to-last paragraph (above) is about as perfect as it gets. Kudos to her speech writers.
I suspect the fat cats, stand patters and Republicans will jump on it because of the repetition of 'the world as it should be' since there are those who see no need for change. McCain himself says we don't need change, just 4 more years of Bush's policies. |
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matthews_world
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Typical rhetoric to me, Yata.
We all know that politicians are good at conveying concepts at hopes to swinging votes their way but what they don't do literally is to let us know that they know what is going on in each particular situation. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
I suspect the fat cats, stand patters and Republicans will jump on it because... |
Way to go to alienate and offend those of us who might disagree with Michelle Obama's politics before even starting your discussion. Nixonesque.
The Kennedy comparisons that so many are drawing seem off-base to me, incidentally. Here is why: Jackie Kennedy never said anything as bitter as Michelle Obama's claiming that she finally felt proud about America. She never had the militant, Catholic identity-politics thing as Michelle does -- only hers is a militant, black identity-politics thing -- either. And JFK spoke idealistically, appealing to a great deal of people as well, without dwelling on the negative. Nixon, in Oliver Stone's Nixon compares himself to JFK and laments "When they look at you, they see what they want to be; when they look at me, they see what they are." I do not see Michelle Obama showing us what we can be inasmuch as focusing on what she thinks we are. And even at the Vietnam War's height, after Tet, when RFK declared his own candidacy, he still spoke positively about America when criticizing its present course.
Add other Democratic leaders such as Nancy Pelosi, and I simply do not see the comparison between the Democrats of today, led by the Obamas, and the Kennedy-era Democrats. |
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Nowhere Man

Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject: ... |
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Did you just quote Oliver Stone?  |
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Gopher

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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Apparently it is Gopher-groupie time. "It's Gopher-groupie time! It's Gopher-groupie time! Bob Smith and Gophie Poo, Say it's Gopher-groupie time for you...!"
Thank you, Gopher-groupie. Gopher-groupies rule. |
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Nowhere Man

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: ... |
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Gopher-groupies rule. |
Yes they do
Oh yes they do
Oliver Stone and Mama Obama, too.
Woohoo! |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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before even starting your discussion. Nixonesque |
To be more accurate, Karl Rove. Why sit back and wait to be put on the defensive, particularly when the opposing candidate is saying we need 4 more years of the policies that have so sorely damaged the country. Anyway, for decades Democrats have 'comforted the afflicted and afflicted the comfortable'. That's our job and it's time we did a better job of it.
It is far more likely that Michelle Obama, a Democrat sharing the stage with Teddy, was echoing RFK, not Richard Nixon. Here are two of his quotes:
There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask, 'Why?' I dream of things that never were, and ask 'Why not?'
The future does not belong to those who are content with today, apathetic toward common problems and their fellow man alike, timid and fearful in the face of bold projects and new ideas. Rather, it will belong to those who can blend passion, reason and courage in a personal commitment to the great enterprises and ideals of American society. |
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Gopher

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds as if you have bought into the Democratic Party's speechwriters' poll-driven, clich�, election-year "change" rhetoric, taking it at face-value, even. |
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Rteacher

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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The content of the speech may be excellent, but she's almost sure to lose style points (based on deep-seated class and racial distinctions) because of her "Southern-black" accent and perceived "uppity" demeanor.
The fact that she's taller (at 5'11") than most white men probably adds to the irrational fear-factor. |
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ytuque

Joined: 29 Jan 2008 Location: I drink therefore I am!
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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Rteacher wrote: |
The content of the speech may be excellent, but she's almost sure to lose style points (based on deep-seated class and racial distinctions) because of her "Southern-black" accent and perceived "uppity" demeanor.
The fact that she's taller (at 5'11") than most white men probably adds to the irrational fear-factor. |
Brilliant thinking! Anyone not enamored with the Obamas is automatically considered racist. |
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:00 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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Nowhere Man wrote: |
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Gopher-groupies rule. |
Yes they do
Oh yes they do
Oliver Stone and Mama Obama, too.
Woohoo! |
lol
You two boys are so cute today! |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:37 am Post subject: |
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I think the lady hit one out of the ballpark. I'm confident that next week when it's the GOP's turn that Cindy McCain will refrain from rhetoric and bless us with a deeply philosophical speech that ascends the oratorical heights while avoiding partisanship. But then I'm also confident that Tinkerbell will sprinkle me with fairy dust tonight and I'll be able to fly to Neverland under my own power.
Most First Lady Wannabes (there is no known term for women in this position is there?) don't give speeches at the Convention although they do campaign for their husbands. [Let it be said that I prefer the old style of front porch campaigns--they're a lot more decorous on the part of the candidates.] I don't have a memory of any of the previous candidates' wives making convention speeches. Does anyone know which did and didn't?
Rteacher's post was interesting. He mentioned the black factor and alluded to the 5'11" woman factor. (I had no idea she was that tall.) There is no way to know how many it affects, but the men who just don't like strong women will not be thrilled at the prospect of a tall (Hillary is shorter than me) strong woman. It's one more reason to hope Obama gets elected. We might call it the 'squirm factor'.
Too bad the Dems didn't delay their convention by one day--then they could have nominated Obama on McCain's birthday. There's a report around the net somewhere that McCain's response to the 7 houses thing is a review of his war record. He's in danger of prodding Biden into revamping his Giuliani quip about 'a noun, a verb and 9/11' if his responses devolve to that level of irrelevance (when the question is about something else). |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:43 am Post subject: |
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I found her speech on RCP. It's even more amazing to watch than to read. At no point does she appear to be reading off a teleprompter. It sounds like she is just speaking. She couldn't be, I know.
Michelle Obama is one sharp cookie. Meryl Streep has nothing on Michelle Obama.
One MAJOR drawback to Obama: Those kids are young and cute. I hate cute. I lived through the cute Kennedy kids. It was not fun. At least the Ford kids were old enough to get in trouble and embarrass their parents. |
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Kuros
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:23 am Post subject: |
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I thought the speech was kind of boring. But then again, the fact that she didn't offend people was a kind of accomplishment considering that she had her mouth open in front of an audience for an extended period of time.
But, I don't think the speech was aimed at people like myself. So, I may be missing something here. |
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The Bobster

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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:40 am Post subject: |
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I just fiinished listening to it, and I agree with something I read earlier in the day (from Roger Simon, I think) that maybe we nominated the wrong Obama. It's a kickass bit of talking out loud, and before we discuss what other people think Michelle said months ago, let's all listen to this.
The New Times has the video, with the text highlighted on the screen as it goes by. Click on this and see if it takes you there.
"All of us driven by the simple belief that the world as it is just won't do ... and that is why I love this country ... this time, we listened to our hopes instead of our fears ... this time we decided to stop doubting and start dreaming ... we committed ourselves to building the world as it should be."
That's the core of liberalism, at its best, at least I always thought so - the recognition that what we see around us can be better and we can make it better. As human beings, that's sort of, I dunno ... our job. |
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