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TheUrbanMyth
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[McCain has flip flopped so many times, who can know what the man really believes at this point. To me, McCain is not "The Maverick"--he's more like Gollum and the presidency is his "precious", the thing he will do or say anything to get his hands on.
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You know, if you want your post to be a clear analysis of who deserves the presidency more, it would help if it included Obama's faults as well rather than just being a cheerleader.
Obama has flip-flopped more times than a Korean adjusshi.
http://www.nelsonguirado.com/index.php/asymmetric/2008/07/09/comprehensive-obama-flip-flop-list
Now some of these can be perhaps dismissed as "nuance" as Obama and supporters would have it. But many are simply clear pandering. |
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TexasPete
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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I actually really liked McCain in 2000. I thought he should have got the nomination then, but apparently a man who could barely string a sentence together if it wasn't on a teleprompter was more appealing to the Reps then. But over the years i've sadly watched McCain get in bed with the same people who derailed his last attempt in Carolina by insinuating that he had a black baby out of wedlock when she was in fact an adopted South Asian.
I know you have to play a bit dirty to get to the top here, but watching McCain turn his back on everything he supposedly stood for in 2000 makes me wonder about his character. Are we seeing the real McCain now or were we seeing the real McCain in 2000 or is there anything genuine about the man to begin with? I don't know. What i do know is he was a hero of mine and while i'll always have enormous respect for what he's done, i've lost a TON of respect for what he's become.
Am I perfectly happy with Obama? No, in fact i'm pretty furious with him over FISA and a little miffed about him not taking government funds for the election when he said he would. He's not perfect, but he's a damn sight better than the man who's voted with Bush 95% of the time over the past 3 years.
Bush and his cronies are very largely responsible for the mess we find ourselves in right now and it's about time the American people call them on the disastrous leadership they've exhibited and the opportunities they let slip through their fingertips. |
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ReeseDog
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| ...'cause it's like asking a cherry to run the regiment. No expertise. Not his fault. Just hasn't got the time in. Hasn't done the tours. Let him come back in twenty years. |
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Cheonmunka
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| All the Democrat party supporters (weren't we all recently) are now wild-eyed and crazy looking - especially the Hilary clan. And the Gores who were so useless back then all come out of the woodwork. I'd vote McCain just to spite them. |
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JustJohn
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| McCain and Obama are both mediocre at BEST. That's why it's so easy for each side to make the other guy look bad. Both sides are right when they say the other guy will be lousy. Going to be a depressing election. |
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agentX
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:14 am Post subject: |
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McCain's got experience- at being a racist, sexist, multi-millionaire fuckup.
But hey, he's a conservative, so what do you expect? Intelligence? Poise? Common sense?
Where were you 'experience' guys when Bush was elected? Obama has had over 10 years in government prior to this election, something that Bush didn't have and Lincoln sure didn't.
But, we're on McWarmonger here, so let's stay focused. If McCain is elected, we will be at war with Iran and probably Russia as well. But don't take my word for it; listen to people who know him best.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20626.htm
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Two decades ago, President Reagan reached agreement with Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev to end the dangerous cold war. But every one of Reagan�s successors has sought to pick a new fight with Russia. In violation of the agreement, NATO has been taken to Russia�s borders, and the US is determined to put former constituent parts of Russia herself into NATO. In an effort to neutralize Russia�s nuclear deterrent and compromise her independence, the US is putting anti-ballistic missile bases on Russia�s borders.
The gratuitously aggressive US military policy toward Russia will lead to nuclear war. I am confident that if Americans elect John McCain, or the Republicans steal another presidential election, there will be nuclear war in the second decade of the 21st century. The neocon lies, propaganda, macho flag-waving, and use of US foreign policy in the interests of a few military-security firms, oil companies, and Israel are all leading in that direction.
The November election is perhaps the last chance to avoid nuclear war. But the opportunity might already have been missed. The Republicans have chosen as their candidate one of the most ignorant warmongers alive. The Democrats� choice was between one of the most divisive women in America and a man of mixed race with a funny name. Considering American�s taste for war, the Democratic candidate could fail to defeat the GOP war candidate.
Many Americans will vote against Obama because he is black. Why does mixed ancestry confer the black label? If America�s population was predominantly black, would Obama be considered white? |
And for those of us under 27, you should pay attention to this little bit from McCain's own mouth.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/20/mccain-support-draft/
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QUESTIONER: If we don�t reenact the draft, I don�t think we�ll have anyone to chase Bin Laden to the gates of hell.
MCCAIN: Ma�am, let me say that I don�t disagree with anything you said. |
A vote for McCain is a vote for more wars and possibly even a nuke fight.
Case closed.
Those of us in Korea should realize that we are in the firing line here. Korea is still a US ally, and those Russian/Chinese missiles aren't known for their accuracy. Try to remember that when you cast your vote in November. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:03 am Post subject: |
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| McCain and Obama are both mediocre at BEST. That's why it's so easy for each side to make the other guy look bad. Both sides are right when they say the other guy will be lousy. Going to be a depressing election. |
So has there ever been a Presidential candidate you've been excited about? Because honestly, these two are maybe the one of the best pairings in my lifetime. Don't believe me? Let's see...
1980: Reagan vs. Carter. Carter did a poor job with the Iran hostage crisis, gave up the Panama Canal, etc etc.
1984: Reagan vs. Mondale. Mondale was a real genius. He said he would have to raise taxes if he won. Amazingly he didn't win the election. So if you weren't a fan of Reagan, you had to vote for a candidate that lacked political common sense.
1988: Bush vs. Dukakis. Bush was rather dull and Dukakis got the smart idea of getting his picture taken in a tank. He was also viewed as cold and disconnected with the people. Neither got one's heart going, that's for sure.
1992: Bush vs. Cinton vs Perot. In hindsight this looks like a pretty good match-up but at the time, Bush Sr looked like he wasn't doing squat for the economy while Clinton was new and different. (hmm, sound familiar?). Perot certainly had personality but he was a bit nutty.
1996: Clinton vs. Dole. I think you'd agree Dole wasn't exactly a great candidate. I guess if you're a Clinton fan, this election wasn't depressing.
2000: Bush vs. Gore. The opposite of the 1992 election. A head scratcher. Regardless, Gore had the whole arrogant bore thing going on while Bush even then had the dumb ass image going on. So bore vs. dumb ass. Yay.
2004: Bush vs. Kerry. Kerry was Gore-lite and more of a pushover. Personally I felt rather depressed that I was stuck with Kerry.
Sooooo John, in comparison to past elections, is this one really that depressing? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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| McCain and Obama are both mediocre at BEST. That's why it's so easy for each side to make the other guy look bad. Both sides are right when they say the other guy will be lousy. Going to be a depressing election. |
Do you put a spoonful of negativity in your morning coffee every day? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| agentX wrote: |
McCain's got experience- at being a racist, sexist, multi-millionaire fuckup.
But hey, he's a conservative, so what do you expect? Intelligence? Poise? Common sense?
Where were you 'experience' guys when Bush was elected? Obama has had over 10 years in government prior to this election, something that Bush didn't have and Lincoln sure didn't.
But, we're on McWarmonger here, so let's stay focused. If McCain is elected, we will be at war with Iran and probably Russia as well. But don't take my word for it; listen to people who know him best.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20626.htm
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Two decades ago, President Reagan reached agreement with Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev to end the dangerous cold war. But every one of Reagan�s successors has sought to pick a new fight with Russia. In violation of the agreement, NATO has been taken to Russia�s borders, and the US is determined to put former constituent parts of Russia herself into NATO. In an effort to neutralize Russia�s nuclear deterrent and compromise her independence, the US is putting anti-ballistic missile bases on Russia�s borders.
The gratuitously aggressive US military policy toward Russia will lead to nuclear war. I am confident that if Americans elect John McCain, or the Republicans steal another presidential election, there will be nuclear war in the second decade of the 21st century. The neocon lies, propaganda, macho flag-waving, and use of US foreign policy in the interests of a few military-security firms, oil companies, and Israel are all leading in that direction.
The November election is perhaps the last chance to avoid nuclear war. But the opportunity might already have been missed. The Republicans have chosen as their candidate one of the most ignorant warmongers alive. The Democrats� choice was between one of the most divisive women in America and a man of mixed race with a funny name. Considering American�s taste for war, the Democratic candidate could fail to defeat the GOP war candidate.
Many Americans will vote against Obama because he is black. Why does mixed ancestry confer the black label? If America�s population was predominantly black, would Obama be considered white? |
And for those of us under 27, you should pay attention to this little bit from McCain's own mouth.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/20/mccain-support-draft/
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QUESTIONER: If we don�t reenact the draft, I don�t think we�ll have anyone to chase Bin Laden to the gates of hell.
MCCAIN: Ma�am, let me say that I don�t disagree with anything you said. |
A vote for McCain is a vote for more wars and possibly even a nuke fight.
Case closed.
Those of us in Korea should realize that we are in the firing line here. Korea is still a US ally, and those Russian/Chinese missiles aren't known for their accuracy. Try to remember that when you cast your vote in November. |
the tell the Khomeni followers the Al Qadists and the Bathists to give up their war.
and as I said before the antiwar movement is full of bigots.
Oh informationclearing house that is a site with connections to holocaust deniers like Michael Rivero.
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| What Really Happened |
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
and Craig Paul Roberts is a 9-11 conspiracy theorist.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17422.htm
Good going agentx
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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Remember what happened last time a liberal democrat was elected president?
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Eight years of the most conservative president in a century has not ushered in a paradise. Time for a change of direction. 'No way. No how. No McCain.' |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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Remember what happened last time a liberal democrat was elected president?
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Eight years of the most conservative president in a century has not ushered in a paradise. Time for a change of direction. 'No way. No how. No McCain.' |
the last year might not have been paradise but nearlyh all of the strategic problems the US faces now are because Khomeni came to power in Iran.
If Khomeni doesn't come to power .
No 9-11.
No Hizzbollah
No Iranian nuclear program.
Oil prices are far lower and it goes on and on and on.
Khomeni coming to power was the most terrible strategic disaster in the history of the US. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| No, the only credit Khomeini deserves is getting Ronald Reagan elected and putting the US on the path to financial disaster. |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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Carter did a poor job with the Iran hostage crisis...
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Now there's an understatement if I ever heard one. |
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mises
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Good speech. |
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