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canuckistan
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Czarjorge
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Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| I still don't understand why cheating is such a big deal in the larger political context. Is it to be understood that cheating on a spouse means you'll be a treasonous bastard to the country? We're designed to be polyamorous, when we fail the 'higher' calling of remaining monogamous and revert to our natural state how is it we're somehow betraying anything other than our aspirations to be better than our nature and the partner to whom we pledged monogamy? |
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Ya-ta Boy
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I agree that it's deplorable. Matters of human failings are not the property of the public unless they involve criminal activity.
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| She wrote a memoir in 2007 that brought readers into the most wrenching moments of her life: the death of the couple's 16-year-old son and her 2004 breast cancer diagnosis. |
The writer of the above fails to distinguish tragedies that happen through the normal course of life from problems that arise because of our failures. I suppose it's moralistic Puritanism. |
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nautilus
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Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Czarjorge wrote: |
| We're designed to be polyamorous |
Are we also designed to kill other folks, rape women and steal stuff? |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Czarjorge wrote: |
| I still don't understand why cheating is such a big deal in the larger political context. Is it to be understood that cheating on a spouse means you'll be a treasonous bastard to the country? We're designed to be polyamorous, when we fail the 'higher' calling of remaining monogamous and revert to our natural state how is it we're somehow betraying anything other than our aspirations to be better than our nature and the partner to whom we pledged monogamy? |
Yeah, but, I'll only vote for the guy that gets away with it.
As for being designed for something, what is this GATACA? |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:48 am Post subject: Re: Anyone else find this deplorable? |
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/08/26/elizabeth.edwards.ap/index.html
She's got incurable cancer and some pols are giving her flak.
Unfrigginbelievable. |
It's bizarre. It seems quite natural that you wouldn't want to shout from the rooftops that your spouse had cheated on you. You'd have enough heartache without the world gossiping about you.
People are f***ed. |
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The Bobster
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The people who are angry at her are angry because they supported the man as a candidate and might not have done so if they had known about his character flaws and poor life choices. Some people think such things might reflect also on the kind of choices he might have made if he had if he were the guy making choices in the Oval Office.
I'm not sure I'm one of those people - probably not - there's a valid question to be raised about whether people should have relevant facts about a person before volunteering time at a phone bank, or writing a check to a campaign or walking into a voting booth ... and again, I'm not sure exactly what the answer to that question is, but it helps to explain some angry reactions that are going around.
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| "I believe we are all owed a huge apology |
Pretty sure the person who said that was a poster and regular reader of the liberal blog Daily Kos, and likely an erstwhile Edwards supporter, now a bitter and perhaps more disillusioned individual than might have previously been so. |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
| Czarjorge wrote: |
| We're designed to be polyamorous |
Are we also designed to kill other folks, rape women and steal stuff? |
No, wer are not designed to kill other humans. We're designed to kill prey so we can eat. Eating other people provides little to no nutrition and hunting people would be wasted energy.
As for rape, that's a modern word. When we lived in caves it was up to the guy to get his to necessitate breeding. At least that's what we believe. In the 'old' days when there were no social mores against women being horny ladies might have jumped men as much as men jumped ladies.
As for 'steal'ing, what are you talking about? You mean because we were gatherers? As in we're stealing from the bush the berries grow on? C'mon.
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| As for being designed for something, what is this GATACA? |
I assume you're referencing the movie 'GATTACA'? I'm talking about our evolution as a species on the savannahs of Africa. We were half tribe, half pride in the beginning and that meant the strongest men bed all the women. We've evolved in knowledge immensely in the last 5000 years, but not biologically. |
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Tjames426
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| Interesting that Hillary is not getting such scrutiny or the same treatment, isn't it? |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:37 am Post subject: Re: Anyone else find this deplorable? |
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| canuckistan wrote: |
http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/08/26/elizabeth.edwards.ap/index.html
She's got incurable cancer and some pols are giving her flak.
Unfrigginbelievable. |
It's bizarre. It seems quite natural that you wouldn't want to shout from the rooftops that your spouse had cheated on you. You'd have enough heartache without the world gossiping about you.
People are f***ed. |
Agreed. But John needs to take all the blame. He is a very public figure and he should have known the outcome of his stupidass actions.
If you make a promise, keep it. If you can't keep it, don't make it. Final answer. We all know ourselves. We know if we can be faithful. Don't bring a woman into a relationship if you know you can be faithful.
And for damn sure, don't fall in love. This 'other woman' was not especially hot, young or tempting. Like Monica Lewinsky, the wife has to be asking "he risked it for that"? I'm sure that he seems to have had sincere love for her rips his wife's heart out even more.
Edwards is a scumbag. A "man of the people" who lives in a house with a fucking moat. An ambulance chaser. A pretty boy little play boy who couldn't keep his cock in his pants when his wife is ill (or even in between being ill). A fake, phony little man. And if you fell for his shtick, I've got a few dozen bridges to sell you.
And to end it all, he was god damned dumb enough to be creeping around the Beverly Hilton with his mistress, where he was "keeping" her. Jesus H. Christ! As IF there are no paperazzi there. If he had two brain cells in his head he would have kept her at a nice Red Roof Inn in Tulsa. |
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