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hugekebab
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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 Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: Why do americans only get 30 days tourist visa? |
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First of all, it's obvious this has probably been discussed before, but the search function sucks.
Does anyone know the history behind only granting 30 day tourist visas to us citizens.
Just wondering. |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: Why do americans only get 30 days tourist visa? |
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| hugekebab wrote: |
First of all, it's obvious this has probably been discussed before, but the search function sucks.
Does anyone know the history behind only granting 30 day tourist visas to us citizens.
Just wondering. |
Just one more way Japan beats Korea... we get a 90 day tourist visa over there.  |
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afsjesse
Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| It's bogus IMO. The country that sacrificed the most during the war and we get shafted with 30 days.... 60 would be bearable atleast. |
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cazzy3
Joined: 07 May 2008
Location: kangwon-do
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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i think it has more to do w/ the bilateral relations between the immigration departments of both countries. koreans can freely travel to canada w/o a visa therefore the korean immigration offered canadians 6 month visas.
because koreans must apply and often get denied us visas, the korean immigration probably felt a need to place a shorter time period (30 days) for us citizens.
If the US opens its doors to koreans (i.e. no visa in the future) I'm sure US citizens will be able to visit for more than 30 days on a tourist visa. |
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afsjesse
Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| That would be nice! I really like the idea of an increased tourist visa once their added to the VWP (Visa Waiver Program).... For once Korea might be a little "sparkling". |
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moosehead
Joined: 05 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: Why do americans only get 30 days tourist visa? |
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| hugekebab wrote: |
First of all, it's obvious this has probably been discussed before, but the search function sucks.
Does anyone know the history behind only granting 30 day tourist visas to us citizens.
Just wondering. |
the immediate visa (no charge) is 30 days but you can go to immi and extend it for a total of 90 days (counting the initial 30) for a fee (30,000 won I think)
as to the "why?" hey TIK |
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KAMAKAZI
Joined: 14 Mar 2008
Location: Jamshil
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: Why do americans only get 30 days tourist visa? |
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| Scotticus wrote: |
| hugekebab wrote: |
First of all, it's obvious this has probably been discussed before, but the search function sucks.
Does anyone know the history behind only granting 30 day tourist visas to us citizens.
Just wondering. |
Just one more way Japan beats Korea... we get a 90 day tourist visa over there. |
whats the lenth of stay for canadians on a japanese tourist visa? |
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Kiarell
Joined: 29 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| afsjesse wrote: |
| It's bogus IMO. The country that sacrificed the most during the war and we get shafted with 30 days.... 60 would be bearable atleast. |
Racism knows no bounds! A hostile Cold War nation partly responsible for igniting a war that killed 1 million Koreans is the one who sacrifices the most! And don't forget the wonderful civilian massacres like Geunno-ri! But that's okay we saved the Southerners from the brutality of a welfare state dictatorship to live in poverty in a right-wing dictatorship for the next twenty years.
I'd say all visas as they exist anywhere in the world today are bogus. They don't stop spies or espionage. They're just a pain in the ass for regular joes, waste money on needless bureaucracy, make effective blackmail for people who can't get in "legally", and punish millions of people for nations' stupid feuds.
Cazzy3 is right with this one. Koreans and Americans alike suffer because their respective governments engage in these silly rivalries. Immigration is also very tight with puppet states. Refugees from US client states in Latin America have always gotten and still get denied entry, while defectors from official enemies like the USSR get a free ride in. The exceptions are with racial or ethnic differences. Though the US would grant citizenship for USSR refugees, it is far less likely to take in refugees of other colors because its wars use racist feelings as a rationale. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: Why do americans only get 30 days tourist visa? |
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| moosehead wrote: |
| the immediate visa (no charge) is 30 days but you can go to immi and extend it for a total of 90 days (counting the initial 30) for a fee (30,000 won I think) |
Quoted for emphasis.
Sure, a bit more legwork involved, but it's 3 months. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| cazzy3 wrote: |
i think it has more to do w/ the bilateral relations between the immigration departments of both countries. koreans can freely travel to canada w/o a visa therefore the korean immigration offered canadians 6 month visas.
because koreans must apply and often get denied us visas, the korean immigration probably felt a need to place a shorter time period (30 days) for us citizens.
If the US opens its doors to koreans (i.e. no visa in the future) I'm sure US citizens will be able to visit for more than 30 days on a tourist visa. |
That's pretty much the sum of it.
That's also why Americans sometimes pay more than other nationalities to get visas to certain countries: they are simply "reciprocating" the prices the US gov't charges those countries' citizens for tourist visas. |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Kiarell wrote: |
| Though the US would grant citizenship for USSR refugees, it is far less likely to take in refugees of other colors because its wars use racist feelings as a rationale. |
Uh oh, we got another "desperately wants to sound smart" guy. I'm not even going to touch the rest of your post, as it's not worth the time, however:
You know what "rationale" means, right? The US has said and used some pretty stupid rationales for our wars, but no president or high ranking official has ever said, "We must fight the <insert racial group here> because we totally hate <insert racial group here> and think they should die." You could say there's an implied racism, but no US leader is stupid enough to come out and officially state that hating another race of people is a reason* for fighting a war.
The fact that you'd include that as part of your argument shows the level of care and patience you put into not only your arguments, but I'd imagine your education in general. Honestly, man, if you don't know what a word means, either don't include it in your argument or google the word to make sure you don't make yourself look stupid.
*Psst, "reason" is a synonym for "rationale! There, you learned something today! |
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Lekker
Joined: 09 Feb 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Scotticus wrote: |
| Kiarell wrote: |
| Though the US would grant citizenship for USSR refugees, it is far less likely to take in refugees of other colors because its wars use racist feelings as a rationale. |
Uh oh, we got another "desperately wants to sound smart" guy. I'm not even going to touch the rest of your post, as it's not worth the time, however:
You know what "rationale" means, right? The US has said and used some pretty stupid rationales for our wars, but no president or high ranking official has ever said, "We must fight the <insert racial group here> because we totally hate <insert racial group here> and think they should die." You could say there's an implied racism, but no US leader is stupid enough to come out and officially state that hating another race of people is a reason* for fighting a war.
The fact that you'd include that as part of your argument shows the level of care and patience you put into not only your arguments, but I'd imagine your education in general. Honestly, man, if you don't know what a word means, either don't include it in your argument or google the word to make sure you don't make yourself look stupid.
*Psst, "reason" is a synonym for "rationale! There, you learned something today! |
Desperately trying to sound smart, are we? |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Lekker wrote: |
Desperately trying to sound smart, are we? |
Quite. I mean, only the smartest people know what "rationale" means as well as how to use Google, right? I've painted myself as a veritable Einstein. |
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Lekker
Joined: 09 Feb 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| Scotticus wrote: |
| Lekker wrote: |
Desperately trying to sound smart, are we? |
Quite. I mean, only the smartest people know what "rationale" means as well as how to use Google, right? I've painted myself as a veritable Einstein. |
As well as a veritable dick head. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:50 am Post subject: Re: Why do americans only get 30 days tourist visa? |
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| hugekebab wrote: |
First of all, it's obvious this has probably been discussed before, but the search function sucks.
Does anyone know the history behind only granting 30 day tourist visas to us citizens.
Just wondering. |
Americans do NOT get 30 day visas. They get either:
a) a 90 day tourist visa (application and fee required) or
b) a 30 day tourist visa waiver entry stamp (free).
The reasoning is that Koreans do NOT get a visa waiver stamp to the US so the States should NOT get one here. The 30 day stamp was granted out of deference to the historical assistance of the US.
Canadians get 6 months on a waiver stamp coming to Korea because Koreans get 6 months on a waiver stamp when they enter Canada (reciprocal treatment).
The rest of the countries get from 30-90 days depending on the reciprocal treatment of Koreans in said countries.
Only about 40 countries (out of a possible 200) do not get a visa waiver stamp on entry to Korea. Specifics can be found on the Korean immigration website.
http://www.immigration.go.kr/
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