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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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My first thought when I saw your post: "Yeah, she rocks! Totally agree."
Second thought, "Eh, but it wouldn't rally the GOP base whatsoever, and not help McCain politically."
Last thought: "Then again, she is quite moderate so she could help McCain capture the Hillary vote."
So yeah, I agree, she would have been a good choice. Oh well.. Had McCain gone that route, this race wouldn't be nearly as entertaining.  |
McCain floated the trial balloon: what about a pro-choice candidate?
Could it be he was really floating Olympia Snowe and not Tom Ridge/Indy Joe? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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I'm leaning towards no Kuros, but who knows.
I really do hope McCain loses now because then perhaps the GOP will move closer to the center. It is going to have to move in that direction anyway if it wants to regain control of Congress.
I'm also wondering what McCain's campaign team was thinking. Did it not dawn on them that they won the primaries because McCain was viewed as independent and more moderate than other GOP candidates? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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Circus coming to St. Paul!
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Bristol Palin's boyfriend plans to join the family of the Republican vice presidential candidate at the GOP convention.
Levi Johnston's mother said her 18-year-old son left Alaska on Tuesday morning to join the Palin family in St. Paul, Minn. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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This just in:
Palin's husband was member of third party
ST. PAUL, Minn. - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's husband, Todd, twice registered as a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a fierce states' rights group that wants to turn all federal lands in Alaska back to the state. Sarah Palin herself was never a member of the party, according to state officials...
Voter registration records and past news reports, however, show Palin never registered as a member of the Independence Party, and backed Steve Forbes' presidential campaign in 2000, not Buchanan...
Gail Fenumiai, director of the Alaska Division of Elections, said Todd Palin twice registered under the Alaskan Independence Party � in 1995 and 2000. Some members of the party have advocated secession from the United States, though that is not a goal listed in the party's platform.
Voter registration records show Sarah Palin registered in May 1982 as a member of the Republican Party and has not changed her affiliation. Todd Palin has been registered undeclared since 2002, Fenumiai said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_politics
It will be interesting to see if the Republicans who were so outraged at Michelle Obama's lack of patriotism hold Todd Palin to the same standard or will they be so partisan that they find it in their hearts to overlook a secessionist. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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(I was writing this post when I came across the one above. Now I'll finish this in light of that information.)
I also thought Olympia Snowe would have been a good choice, attractive to moderates and disgruntled Clinton supporters. Much harder to attack.
I have no problem with Palin having attended the AIP convention if all she was doing was acting as mayor of the town where it was held. Common courtesy. I even have no problem with her giving some friendly generic compliments to them along the lines of "I commend your sense of civic duty and your passion for your beliefs..." However, I am one Democrat who takes their ideas seriously. Secession has been off the table since 1865 and will stay off the table. Had I been in Lincoln/Andrew Johnson's shoes there would have been more than one rebel hanging from a sour apple tree.
This will not warm the cockles of Kuros's heart: 'But Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP..."We are a state's rights party," says Clark, a self-employed goldminer.' (from someone's post a few pages back)
Just how important are the political views of the spouse of a president/vice president? If the view is secession then it is a deal breaker.
Just above someone said some kind of betting is going on about whether she will be dropped from the ticket. 14%. I'll bet that number shoots up when the story of Todd Palin's politics become known. I wrote last night that I think Palin will have a hard time making it to the weekend. The odds of dumping her have just become higher. |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| This plays right into the premise of 'smaller government'. Let the states have all the rights AND responsibilities that come along with it. That's how they'd like to cut back the federal govt. |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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Here's the kind of poop that should sink this ticket once and for all:
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Palin's Lobbyist Has Abramoff Ties
By Kate Klonick and Zachary Roth - September 2, 2008, 1:01PM
It looks like Sarah Palin's claim to represent a cleaner brand of politics could be about to take a bruising.
The Washington Post reports today that, while Mayor of Wasilla, Palin oversaw the hiring of a lobbyist, Steven Silver -- a former chief of staff to now-indicted GOP senator Ted Stevens -- to help win federal earmarks for the city.
But Silver appears to have additional ties that could further undercut Palin's image as a squeaky-clean reformer. According to Senate lobbying disclosure reports examined by TPMmuckraker, from 2002 to 2004 Silver listed as a client Jack Abramoff's lobbying firm, Greenberg Traurig. On Greenberg's behalf, Silver lobbied the federal government on "issues relating to Indian/Native American policy," "exploration for oil and gas" and "legislation relating to gaming issues" -- the very issues that Abramoff headed up for Greenberg at the time. In other words, Silver appears to have been a part of "Team Abramoff."
Indeed, one specific bill that Silver lobbied on for Greenberg, according to the forms, was S.627, also known as the Internet Gambling Funding Prohibition Act. A former Greenberg lobbyist confirmed to TPMmuckraker that Silver would have been working to oppose the bill. And it was an earlier version of this very bill that Abramoff famously worked to spike, with the support of Christian conservative leaders Lou Sheldon and Ralph Reed.
There's additional evidence of ties between Silver and Abramoff. Emails released by a House committee in 2006 as part of a probe of Abramoff show the now-disgraced lobbyist scheduling a meeting with Silver in 2001.
Silver is a member of the Anchorage-based law firm of Robertson, Monacle, and Eastaugh, which the Post describes as having "close ties" to Stevens, and Alaska Congressman Don Young, who's under federal investigation for allegedly taking bribes. Since 2005, Silver has contributed $3500 each to Stevens and Young, according to campaign contributions records posted at CampaignMoney.com.
This is far from the first time that Abramoff's trail of corruption has led to Alaska. Last year, Mark Zachares, a former aide to Young, pleaded guilty to accepting tens of thousands of dollars in gifts from Abramoff in return for using his position to advance Abramoff's goals.
Silver did not immediately return a call requesting comment.
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And if you don't know who Jack Abramoff and Tom Delay are, you need to go visit a sweatshop in the North Marina Islands. Or maybe visit the tribes and see what they think of him.
I've got news for you R's out there. There is no New Direction, this is Business As Usual. And you better believe it. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Just how important are the political views of the spouse of a president/vice president? If the view is secession then it is a deal breaker.
Just above someone said some kind of betting is going on about whether she will be dropped from the ticket. 14%. I'll bet that number shoots up when the story of Todd Palin's politics become known. I wrote last night that I think Palin will have a hard time making it to the weekend. The odds of dumping her have just become higher. |
Eh. She's got to have pitched to the AIP because they're a major interest group in Alaska. You don't win the Governorship by pissing off a quarter of the electorate.
I'm more interested in any of the corruption/bad governance investigations and allegations. It doesn't seem she governed Alaska to make it a break-away republic so much as she pandered a bit to AIP. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm dying to hear how the Republican partisans spin the two registrations with a party that flirts with secession. That will be a great demonstration of creative patriotism from Lincoln's party. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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This is all so interesting.
FYI, for those of you who care and have cspan, Ron Paul is giving his final big speech right now. Gopher, you may do your dance in a few minutes. |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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So, apparently John McCain loves surprises.
He was so concerned about keeping the choice of Sarah Palin a secret that they couldn't ask anyone in Alaska about it.
Reminds me of Dr. Strangelove and the Doomsday Machine:
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Strangelove:
Yes, but the... whole point of the doomsday machine... is lost... if you keep it a secret! Why didn't you tell the world, eh?
DeSadeski:
It was to be announced at the Party Congress on Monday. As you know, the Premier loves surprises. |
Is Sarah Palin the Republican's Doomsday Machine? She certainly turned out to pack a few surprises.
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A number of Republicans said the McCain campaign had to some degree tied its hands in its effort to keep the selection process so secret.
�If you really want it to be a surprise, the circle of people that you�re going to allow to know about it is going to be small, and that�s just the nature of it,� said Dan Bartlett, a former counselor to President Bush. |
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us/politics/02vetting.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=all
McCain had known he would be the Republican candidate for president for how many months? Four?
And Obama knew for how long? One? Yet Biden's selection was still a "secret" until the announcement, though not a complete surprise.
Of more concern to me is the question of honesty. The campaign over and over claims Palin was thoroughly vetted. Yeah?
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Aides to Mr. McCain said they had a team on the ground in Alaska now to look more thoroughly into Ms. Palin�s background. A Republican with ties to the campaign said the team assigned to vet Ms. Palin in Alaska had not arrived there until Thursday, a day before Mr. McCain stunned the political world with his vice-presidential choice. The campaign was still calling Republican operatives as late as Sunday night asking them to go to Alaska to deal with the unexpected candidacy of Ms. Palin.
Although the McCain campaign said that Mr. McCain had known about Bristol Palin�s pregnancy before he asked her mother to join him on the ticket and that he did not consider it disqualifying, top aides were vague on Monday about how and when he had learned of the pregnancy, and from whom. |
And then there is the question of just who, exactly, is making the choice.
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�They didn�t seriously consider her until four or five days from the time she was picked, before she was asked, maybe the Thursday or Friday before,� said a Republican close to the campaign. �This was really kind of rushed at the end, because John didn�t get what he wanted. He wanted to do Joe or Ridge.� |
McCain didn't get what he wanted???
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| Mark Salter, Mr. McCain�s closest adviser, said in an e-mail message that Ms. Palin had been interviewed by Arthur B. Culvahouse Jr., a veteran Washington lawyer in charge of the vice-presidential vetting process for Mr. McCain, as well as by other lawyers who worked for Mr. Culvahouse. |
Well, that's a relief! They vetted Palin by asking Palin.
She's a politician. McCain's a politician. He should know you can't trust everything a politician tells you. It's like a con conning another con. And the con that's conned is a real sucker.
OK, let's see, now who exactly did they contact in Alaska?
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In Alaska, several state leaders and local officials said they knew of no efforts by the McCain campaign to find out more information about Ms. Palin before the announcement of her selection, Although campaigns are typically discreet when they make inquiries into potential running mates, officials in Alaska said Monday they thought it was peculiar that no one in the state had the slightest hint that Ms. Palin might be under consideration.
�They didn�t speak to anyone in the Legislature, they didn�t speak to anyone in the business community,� said Lyda Green, the State Senate president, who lives in Wasilla, where Ms. Palin served as mayor.
Representative Gail Phillips, a Republican and former speaker of the State House, said the widespread surprise in Alaska when Ms. Palin was named to the ticket made her wonder how intensively the McCain campaign had vetted her.
�I started calling around and asking, and I have not been able to find one person that was called,� Ms. Phillips said. �I called 30 to 40 people, political leaders, business leaders, community leaders. Not one of them had heard. Alaska is a very small community, we know people all over, but I haven�t found anybody who was asked anything.�
The current mayor of Wasilla, Dianne M. Keller, said she had not heard of any efforts to look into Ms. Palin�s background. And Randy Ruedrich, the state Republican Party chairman, said he knew nothing of any vetting that had been conducted.
State Senator Hollis French, a Democrat who is directing the ethics investigation, said that no one asked him about the allegations. �I heard not a word, not a single contact,� he said. |
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us/politics/02vetting.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=all
Sorry, you can't call what they did vetting if they didn't even contact anyone at Wasilla City Hall.
And then there's this AP story:
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McCain says Palin was thoroughly vetted
By BETH FOUHY and LIZ SIDOTI
The Associated Press
(09/02/08 08:45:53)
PHILADELPHIA � Republican John McCain said Tuesday he's satisfied that Sarah Palin's background was properly checked out before the Alaska governor joined the Republican ticket.
"The vetting process was completely thorough and I'm grateful for the results," McCain told reporters as he toured a Philadelphia fire house. |
http://www.adn.com/palin/story/513335.html
Look, this isn't rocket science. Just because you vet someone doesn't mean you are going to pick them. Lots of campaigns vet lots of people they have no intention of picking to generate some support from the groups tied to the person being vetted. And he had four months to do all this.
What does this tell us about John McCain? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Gatsby wrote: |
So, apparently John McCain loves surprises.
He was so concerned about keeping the choice of Sarah Palin a secret that they couldn't ask anyone in Alaska about it.
Reminds me of Dr. Strangelove and the Doomsday Machine:
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Strangelove:
Yes, but the... whole point of the doomsday machine... is lost... if you keep it a secret! Why didn't you tell the world, eh?
DeSadeski:
It was to be announced at the Party Congress on Monday. As you know, the Premier loves surprises. |
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ROFL. Now that's a cute comparison. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| �This was really kind of rushed at the end, because John didn�t get what he wanted. He wanted to do Joe or Ridge.� |
This is a very strange comment. The first thought was, "Why does Dick Cheney have anything to say about who McCain's VeeP is?" |
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Jandar
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| �This was really kind of rushed at the end, because John didn�t get what he wanted. He wanted to do Joe or Ridge.� |
This is a very strange comment. The first thought was, "Why does Dick Cheney have anything to say about who McCain's VeeP is?" |
Whether you like it or not Dick Cheney is the most powerful man in America if not the world.
You should accept this fact it will be easier for you if you do.
Facts are funny things. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Jandar wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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| �This was really kind of rushed at the end, because John didn�t get what he wanted. He wanted to do Joe or Ridge.� |
This is a very strange comment. The first thought was, "Why does Dick Cheney have anything to say about who McCain's VeeP is?" |
Whether you like it or not Dick Cheney is the most powerful man in America if not the world.
You should accept this fact it will be easier for you if you do.
Facts are funny things. |
But you know what is hilarious? Evidentiary support. |
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