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TexasPete
Joined: 24 May 2006 Location: Koreatown
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not bigoted, I can read. C-L-E-A-R is not pronounced C-U-L-A-R no matter what moron is in charge of the free world. |
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TexasPete
Joined: 24 May 2006 Location: Koreatown
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, I see now. You're responding to what you pretend I wrote. How...what's the word? Oh, yes. Trollish.
I had no prior encounter with you on this board that I can recollect and I see no reason to pander to your inanities. That ignore list sure does come in handy here! |
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"They're arresting journalists who haven't done anything!"
"Oh, please, they're hardly journalists if they have a blog."
"OK, well they still haven't done anything and the journalist in question had clearly viewable press credentials. If someone has press credentials, why are they being arrested?"
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| Oh, get real. That's not even close to journalism. It's a blog. |
Seems pretty close to me.
Look, i don't know you and i don't know your politics, but i know what you wrote and, to me at least, it sounded like a typical right wing dismissive of a left wing criticism. A journalist was arrested and had done NOT ONE THING wrong or illegal and your response is that she's hardly a journalist as she has blog. Does it still not matter to you that regardless of the (at times) legitimacy of the journalism of blogs, someone was arrested (who had press credentials clearly displayed) who had not done a single illegal act? |
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Forgive me for asking for specifics. |
Was speaking generally, not actually predicting to be blasted by anyone, as I wasn't exactly sure if I had remembered correctly and couldn't recall where I had read it in order to confirm. |
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Jandar

Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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What was Amy Goodman doing with all that "Lawn Mower Fuel" (trying to nicen up gasoline) and rags?
The Weathermen can't be far behind. |
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catman

Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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What was Amy Goodman doing with all that "Lawn Mower Fuel" (trying to nicen up gasoline) and rags?
The Weathermen can't be far behind. |
It was in the house. Wonder how many Americans could be arrested tonight based on that? |
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Tjames426
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:19 am Post subject: |
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Where is the same rant about the arrest of the ABC reporter at the Democratic Convention?
All of your silence on the ABC reporter's arrest shows your position clearly.
If you are going to scream and cry about the arrest of a so called reporter at the RNC, you might as well show the same angst about the arrest of a "real" reporter at the DNC. |
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Tjames426
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:20 am Post subject: |
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1968 protest was at the Democratic convention. Seems people protest at the wrong place.
There was a reporter arrested, an ABC reporter. This was at the Democratic Convention in Denver.
From what I understood, those arrested left the authorized "protest" route. They threatened Republican delegates to the Convention, threatened businesses in the area, and were violent toward the police.
When you think of these type of protesters, think of Portland.
Damage to Private property.
Damage to local Businesses.
Damage to the city's image. |
Damage to democracy? |
That's right, the rioters and protesters were damaging the Democratic process, and the right of the Republican delegates to attend their convention. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Compunction Junction
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| That's right, the rioters and protesters were damaging the Democratic process, and the right of the Republican delegates to attend their convention. |
Were the delegates being STOPPED?
Protesting is a democractic right FYI; some would even argue it's a citizen's responsibility.
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Press credentials are the ONLY signifier the cops should be looking for.
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Where is the same rant about the arrest of the ABC reporter at the Democratic Convention?
All of your silence on the ABC reporter's arrest shows your position clearly. |
Wow. Great. Like that was ever in question.
Fact is, now we've seen arrests of the press in BOTH the RNC and the DNC this year. I doubt we will see either group providing balanced outrage.
So this leads to the next question: The rights of the press in American politics are clearly being eroded by THE GOVERNMENT (fair to say it's a government more than a party problem). What is going to be done about it? |
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Czarjorge

Joined: 01 May 2007 Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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Where is the same rant about the arrest of the ABC reporter at the Democratic Convention?
All of your silence on the ABC reporter's arrest shows your position clearly.
If you are going to scream and cry about the arrest of a so called reporter at the RNC, you might as well show the same angst about the arrest of a "real" reporter at the DNC. |
No, that's screwed up to, but I didn't hear about it until after I heard about Amy Goodman. Is that screwed up, yeah, it is. Is it perhaps due to political bias, possibly. Maybe the more liberal media outlets didn't jump on the ABC story as quickly because they are Dem sympathizers, but it is also worth noting that the ABC folks didn't make as big a stink over it and they didn't have video as far as I know. Also, were they the same situations, no.
The ABC reporter was in an area he wasn't allowed it. Is it messed up that there are areas that the press can't go at a major political convention, yeah, I think it is. The Dem Now reporters were in a public space when they were arrested, not quite the same thing.
Now, you're making a couple mistakes here.
First, Goodman and her crew had journalistic credentials, and Goodman herself is considered to be one of the best journos in the country. It's too bad you've never heard of her, but how aware of politics and political reporting are you? Anyone who's traded sports for politics, like I have, surely know's of her and her cred. She's an anchor that actually still does reporting, and that's rare in the press anymore. Just because she's not from a major network doesn't mean she's less of a journalist. Perhaps you're letting your own political leanings cloud your judgement.
Second, this isn't an issue about politics. The light between the rock and the hard place that are the two major political parties in the US is pretty thin on most issues. This isn't about whether your a Dem or a Rep, or even liberal and conservative, this is about the militarization of the police and the degree to which the rights of the press to cover news, as they see fit to define what is and is not news, has been eroded by the powers that be. The city of Denver was crazy enough to turn a warehouse into a holding tank for protesters, and that was at the DNC. The twin cities are also taking it too far. They were BOTH wrong.
Citizens should be allowed to protest. Press should be allowed to cover it. The press had more freedom under the British than it does now, and that's messed up. |
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TexasPete
Joined: 24 May 2006 Location: Koreatown
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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Where is the same rant about the arrest of the ABC reporter at the Democratic Convention?
All of your silence on the ABC reporter's arrest shows your position clearly.
If you are going to scream and cry about the arrest of a so called reporter at the RNC, you might as well show the same angst about the arrest of a "real" reporter at the DNC. |
Here's a video of the arrest:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Conventions/story?id=5668622
And yes, i'm equally pissed off at this as I am at what's going on at the RNC. I just didn't hear about it until this morning and your post. |
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TexasPete
Joined: 24 May 2006 Location: Koreatown
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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1968 protest was at the Democratic convention. Seems people protest at the wrong place.
There was a reporter arrested, an ABC reporter. This was at the Democratic Convention in Denver.
From what I understood, those arrested left the authorized "protest" route. They threatened Republican delegates to the Convention, threatened businesses in the area, and were violent toward the police.
When you think of these type of protesters, think of Portland.
Damage to Private property.
Damage to local Businesses.
Damage to the city's image. |
Damage to democracy? |
That's right, the rioters and protesters were damaging the Democratic process, and the right of the Republican delegates to attend their convention. |
Insurance covers property damage. What covers damage to the right of free assembly?
I notice you mention nothing of the fact that people were being arrested BEFORE the convention even started when police raided their PERSONAL HOMES. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh, get real. That's not even close to journalism. It's a blog. |
Democracy Now! is a nationally-syndicated public TV and radio program that airs on over 700 radio and TV stations across the US and the globe. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Compunction Junction
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Here comes the ignorance:
Were the police actions taken in accordance with the PATRIOT ACT at all? |
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catman

Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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Why We Were Falsely Arrested
by Amy Goodman
ST. PAUL, Minn. - Government crackdowns on journalists are a true threat to democracy. As the Republican National Convention meets in St. Paul, Minn., this week, police are systematically targeting journalists. I was arrested with my two colleagues, "Democracy Now!" producers Sharif Abdel Kouddous and Nicole Salazar, while reporting on the first day of the RNC. I have been wrongly charged with a misdemeanor. My co-workers, who were simply reporting, may be charged with felony riot.
The Democratic and Republican national conventions have become very expensive and protracted acts of political theater, essentially four-day-long advertisements for the major presidential candidates. Outside the fences, they have become major gatherings for grass-roots movements - for people to come, amidst the banners, bunting, flags and confetti, to express the rights enumerated in the Constitution's First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Behind all the patriotic hyperbole that accompanies the conventions, and the thousands of journalists and media workers who arrive to cover the staged events, there are serious violations of the basic right of freedom of the press. Here on the streets of St. Paul, the press is free to report on the official proceedings of the RNC, but not to report on the police violence and mass arrests directed at those who have come to petition their government, to protest.
It was Labor Day, and there was an anti-war march, with a huge turnout, with local families, students, veterans and people from around the country gathered to oppose the war. The protesters greatly outnumbered the Republican delegates.
There was a positive, festive feeling, coupled with a growing anxiety about the course that Hurricane Gustav was taking, and whether New Orleans would be devastated anew. Later in the day, there was a splinter march. The police-clad in full body armor, with helmets, face shields, batons and canisters of pepper spray-charged. They forced marchers, onlookers and working journalists into a nearby parking lot, then surrounded the people and began handcuffing them.
Nicole was videotaping. Her tape of her own violent arrest is chilling. Police in riot gear charged her, yelling, "Get down on your face." You hear her voice, clearly and repeatedly announcing "Press! Press! Where are we supposed to go?" She was trapped between parked cars. The camera drops to the pavement amidst Nicole's screams of pain. Her face was smashed into the pavement, and she was bleeding from the nose, with the heavy officer with a boot or knee on her back. Another officer was pulling on her leg. Sharif was thrown up against the wall and kicked in the chest, and he was bleeding from his arm.
I was at the Xcel Center on the convention floor, interviewing delegates. I had just made it to the Minnesota delegation when I got a call on my cell phone with news that Sharif and Nicole were being bloody arrested, in every sense. Filmmaker Rick Rowley of Big Noise Films and I raced on foot to the scene. Out of breath, we arrived at the parking lot. I went up to the line of riot police and asked to speak to a commanding officer, saying that they had arrested accredited journalists.
Within seconds, they grabbed me, pulled me behind the police line and forcibly twisted my arms behind my back and handcuffed me, the rigid plastic cuffs digging into my wrists. I saw Sharif, his arm bloody, his credentials hanging from his neck. I repeated we were accredited journalists, whereupon a Secret Service agent came over and ripped my convention credential from my neck. I was taken to the St. Paul police garage where cages were set up for protesters. I was charged with obstruction of a peace officer. Nicole and Sharif were taken to jail, facing riot charges.
The attack on and arrest of me and the "Democracy Now!" producers was not an isolated event. A video group called I-Witness Video was raided two days earlier. Another video documentary group, the Glass Bead Collective, was detained, with its computers and video cameras confiscated. On Wednesday, I-Witness Video was again raided, forced out of its office location. When I asked St. Paul Police Chief John Harrington how reporters are to operate in this atmosphere, he suggested, "By embedding reporters in our mobile field force."
On Monday night, hours after we were arrested, after much public outcry, Nicole, Sharif and I were released. That was our Labor Day. It's all in a day's work. |
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TexasPete
Joined: 24 May 2006 Location: Koreatown
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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