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On the other hand
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Palin�s pastor, Larry Kroon, introduced Brickner on Aug. 17, according to a transcript of the sermon on the church�s website.
�He�s a leader of Jews for Jesus, a ministry that is out on the leading edge in a pressing, demanding area of witnessing and evangelism,� Kroon said.
Brickner then explained that Jesus and his disciples were themselves Jewish.
�The Jewish community, in particular, has a difficult time understanding this reality,� he said.
Brickner�s mission has drawn wide criticism from the organized Jewish community, and the Anti-Defamation League accused them in a report of �targeting Jews for conversion with subterfuge and deception.�
Brickner also described terrorist attacks on Israelis as God's "judgment of unbelief" of Jews who haven't embraced Christianity.
"Judgment is very real and we see it played out on the pages of the newspapers and on the television. It's very real. When [Brickner's son] was in Jerusalem he was there to witness some of that judgment, some of that conflict, when a Palestinian from East Jerusalem took a bulldozer and went plowing through a score of cars, killing numbers of people. Judgment � you can't miss it."
Palin was in church that day, Kroon said, though he cautioned against attributing Brickner�s views to her.
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bucheon bum
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Tom Friedman chimes in
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| With his choice of Sarah Palin � the Alaska governor who has advocated drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and does not believe mankind is playing any role in climate change � for vice president, John McCain has completed his makeover from the greenest Republican to run for president to just another representative of big oil. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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Eh. She's got to have pitched to the AIP because they're a major interest group in Alaska. You don't win the Governorship by pissing off a quarter of the electorate.
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Well yeah, but in the US pitching to a seccessionist political party does not usually involve sending videotapes of yourself welcoming party members to the convention and extolling their political views.
I mean, Obama is probably trying to pick up votes from disgruntled Republicans. But I do not think he sends videotapes to their convention. |
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Gatsby
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Just a reminder, the Alaska Independence Party had a candidate for governor win no so long ago in a three-way race. And a former AIP candidate for governor later became the Republicans' candidate for governor, until they tried to revoke his spot on the ticket and he fled the state to avoid prosecution for fraud.
The AIP is in a sense a more conservative extension of the Republican Party in Alaska. Palin probably was keeping her options open to run as an AIP candidate, just in case the Republican voters elected some crazy liberal who wasn't "pro life." |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:22 am Post subject: |
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I've been at school for 3 hours. There hasn't been one single new Republican public relations disaster in all that time. Wow 
Are any of you Canadians up on your secessionist groups? One of the posts earlier here said one possible plan was for Alaska to join a Western Canadian confederacy or some such thing. A possibly entertaining thread could be a discussion of who has the nuttier secessionist group.
Just a thought. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:06 am Post subject: |
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I've been at school for 3 hours. There hasn't been one single new Republican public relations disaster in all that time. Wow
Are any of you Canadians up on your secessionist groups? One of the posts earlier here said one possible plan was for Alaska to join a Western Canadian confederacy or some such thing. A possibly entertaining thread could be a discussion of who has the nuttier secessionist group.
Just a thought. |
Ask Contrarian, I have a feeling he's associated with the Western Canadian one.  |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| Are any of you Canadians up on your secessionist groups? |
The ones in western Canada would have the most in common with the AIP, in terms of being right-wing populist parties with a strong social conservative bent. They are strongest in my home province of Alberta, but even there have never gotten more than one or two seats at a time in the legislature. They tend to bleed a small amount of support away from the Conservatives, but never enough to have any impact.
If you dug deep enough, you could probably find connections between the western Canadian secessonists and the AIP.
At the federal level, the Quebec seccessionists tend to be cuturally more left-wing than the westerners, but are currently propping up the Tories in parliament.
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Gatsby
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:06 am Post subject: |
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Palin wanted to ban books from the Wasilla public library.
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Shortly after becoming mayor, former city officials and Wasilla residents said, Ms. Palin approached the town librarian about the possibility of banning some books, though she never followed through and it was unclear which books or passages were in question.
Ann Kilkenny, a Democrat who said she attended every City Council meeting in Ms. Palin�s first year in office, said Ms. Palin brought up the idea of banning some books at one meeting. �They were somehow morally or socially objectionable to her,� Ms. Kilkenny said.
The librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, pledged to �resist all efforts at censorship,� Ms. Kilkenny recalled. Ms. Palin fired Ms. Emmons shortly after taking office but changed course after residents made a strong show of support. Ms. Emmons, who left her job and Wasilla a couple of years later, declined to comment for this article. |
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/us/politics/03wasilla.html?_r=1&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all
She most likely dropped the idea because it would have blown up in her face.
If this person becomes vice president, of God forbid president, I will return home once to take care of unfinished busienss, and leave the United States. This is not the country I grew up in and loved.
The sad part is if all the so-called "liberals," by their standards - people who believe in evolution and favor legalized abortion and birth control - left the United States it would be just fine with them.
The more I read about Palin the more I want to throw up.
If you read the rest of this article, especially the end, and you are not a right wing ideologue, I think your jaw is going to drop.
I knew John Stein and the people who ran Wasilla during that time. I went to city council meetings and the town was competently and honestly run. John Stein was as decent and honest a person and politician as I ever met.
Sarah Palin didn't "reform" anything in Wasilla because there weren't any problems to reform. Cut wasteful spending? Don't make me laugh.
John Stein was the manager of the city, a real pro who knew his stuff. Wasilla has a strong mayor system, with a full time mayor.
So what did Palin, who wasn't a professional city manger, do?
She cut her salary $4,000 and hired a professional city manger!
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| Ms. Palin, who had campaigned promising to cut her own full-time salary, reduced it from about $68,000 to about $64,000, but she also hired a city administrator, John Cramer, adding a salary to the payroll. |
Sarah Palin is someone who wouldn't support her own stepmother in law when she ran for office because she was pro-choice!
As the Anchorage Daily News observed:
"Sarah Palin can look you in the eye and tell you black is white." |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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You know what this is starting to remind me of is an American version of Stockwell Day. If you don't know who I'm talking about, take a look at this article and the part regarding the 2000 election:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockwell_Day |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:42 am Post subject: |
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Damn good call Mith.
ReFOOORRRRRMMM. |
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Gatsby
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You know what this is starting to remind me of is an American version of Stockwell Day. If you don't know who I'm talking about, take a look at this article and the part regarding the 2000 election:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockwell_Day |
Haven't you got it backwards?
I always assumed that Stockwell Day was an attempt to graft the American style evangelical politics onto the Canadian system.
At least with a parliamentary system, you can get rid of idiots like these more easily.
I certainly hope Canada follows the Palin candidacy and learns something from it.
As to Palin being a reformer, I think her main objective was to purge humanists and liberals from government and the Republican Party. That some of them in the party happened to be crooks was largely a coincidence, and if they had been evangelical Christians, I think they would have been safe.
I think McCain has no choice but to keep Palin now. If he ditched her, all the evangelical Christians would sit this one out -- unless he could find someone even more conservative.
I hate to think about it, but a country that could re-elect George Bush is quite capable of electing McCain-Palin.
The point made in an earlier post about McCain graduating in the BOTTOM 1 percent of his class at Anapolis sticks in my mind. Something tells me this was not a hero who was shot down, but an incompetent idiot, who was only allowed to barely graduate because of a father and grandfather who were admirals.
And Americans voted for George Bush over a real war hero, despite getting a pretend military post as a jet pilot only because of powerful relatives.
If America elects John McCain, they will get what they deserve. Unfortunately, the rest of the world will also have to suffer. |
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mithridates
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:05 am Post subject: |
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mithridates wrote:
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You know what this is starting to remind me of is an American version of Stockwell Day. If you don't know who I'm talking about, take a look at this article and the part regarding the 2000 election:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockwell_Day |
Haven't you got it backwards?
I always assumed that Stockwell Day was an attempt to graft the American style evangelical politics onto the Canadian system. |
I just mean in the quick off the start, one or more days of good press, then stumble after stumble after stumble kind of way. It's not a perfect analogy because the negative press is also about McCain's judgment, but the super high expectations and then (probably) cataclysmic fall feels very familiar. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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The more idiocy I read here about Palin the better I like her. What we need is more, not less, departure for the usual leftist gobbleegook. Palin has backed the pipeline link that goes through Alberta and favors Trans Canada Pipeline as the carrier.
If we go to the Democratic Convention we get the Montana governor who doesn't even know that Canada is the largest supplier of Petroleum to the US, second is Saudi Arabia (now a US client state).
Screw this global warming green crap. They are simply plans to effect an international wealth distribution. |
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mises
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| It fits more than that. The religious fundamentalism, the personable and very public persona, outdoors type, out of the mainstream, from the middle of nowhere, poorly educated, loose ties to separatist organizations and a good amount of popularity in their home province/state. |
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