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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Gopher wrote: |
| J. Lieberman's speech, where he emphasized "J. McCain is his own man..."[/url] |
This meme, along with including Lieberman at the convention, signals what is logical and true: the GOP is so unpopular this year that the only way their candidate stands a chance is to be seen as running away from his own party ...
Ain't gonna work. Virtually nothing that has been attempted by this party in the last decade has had even a glimmer of a positive result, and people have figured out that it's not just malfeasance and incompetence of individuals but a sign of a bankrupt philosophy and an ideology that attempts to negate the best goals of government.
Americans have had it to here with them, and then some. And McCain deserves to enjoy his retirement and his declining years. We will wish him well. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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I'm not supporting anybody. I know the United States is at war with Iraq and I also have great sympathy for the 'break it bought it' line of thinking. My concern is less with the current policy (surge etc) than it is with a guy who thinks almost entirely in military terms in foreign relations. Nakedly, I'm afraid he'd attack Iran.
Iraq was a nothing compared to an Iranian conflict. Hezballah is active all over the world and can hit American targets and cities with great ease. The economic costs would be enormous. |
The US ought not bomb Iran , not right now anyway - but the fact is that Iran is guilty as hell and deserves to get hit. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Good convention so far.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/09/02/empty_room/index.html
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ST. PAUL, Minn. -- The first clue that the convention hall isn't quite full is the air conditioning: walking into the Xcel Energy Center is like walking into, well, an Alaskan winter.
As you may have noticed on TV, there are empty seats all over the arena. The section directly to the right of the stage is nearly completely devoid of people. The club-level seats are practically deserted. The upper deck has plenty of room. (The sky suites seem pretty crowded, at least from the lower bowl.)
Part of the problem with the Twin Cities as a convention site is that while the business takes place here in St. Paul, most of the hotels -- and nearly all the nightly parties after the sessions adjourn -- are in Minneapolis, about 30 minutes up the road. There may be quite a few Republicans staying in, watching the convention on TV (or not) and then heading out to socialize afterwards without bothering to drop in for the show. There are short lines at the security checkpoints, no crowds in the restrooms, clear paths through the concourse between speeches.
Compare that to Denver last week, where the fire marshall closed the Pepsi Center and Mile High Stadium nearly every night, and you get a sense of that enthusiasm gap the press is talking about. |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:20 am Post subject: |
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David Broder has an interesting column in the Washington Post. Broder is one of the truly great political columnists, although he is getting a bit old. In his prime, he had incredible instinct for spotting trends. He zeroed in on Jimmy Carter long before the first primary.
So if Broder says something, most likely it is true.
Here's an interesting observation:
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Palin is 44, but almost all the other GOP notables are in their 60s, with the exception of McCain, a hardy battler who just turned 72.
After Democrats paraded a platoon of 40-something men and women -- governors, mayors, senators and congressmen -- across the stage in Denver last week, it was hard to avoid the feeling that the GOP is not only trailing in the polls but running short of fresh faces. The youths who were inspired by Ronald Reagan's 1980 victory are middle-aged now. Many of them have labored for years in the administrations of Bush, both father and son, and their steps have slowed.
The ranks of Republican elected officials have been thinned by the Democratic victories in 2006, and many of those who abide in office decided it would be prudent to skip this conclave, rather than be photographed here.
That may explain why the opening oratory was consigned to three such normally pedestrian speakers. |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/02/AR2008090203127.html?hpid=topnews
Hmmmm. The graying of the GOP. I wonder if this means McCain could get another shot at the presidency in 2012 if he loses this time?
The political pros, who are in politics for the long haul, pretty much know a loser when they see one. Are they avoiding getting involved with McCain?
I wonder how many prominent potential Republican VP choices declined to be considered for the spot? |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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| your source wrote: |
| ...author Ron Suskind alleges... |
Why reprint allegations as fact?
The fact remains, Mises: we are at war. I agree that the Iraqi War was an unjust war from the start. But I am not interested in putting people in power who are going to waste their time foaming-at-the-mouth about the past administration and play the usual partisan games. I want to put people in power who are going to live for today and tomorrow, take charge of the situation as it is, and deal with it as adults.
You are supporting the other guys here. |
What, like the Bush admin did about the Clinton admin when they came in?
What about Obama's stances on the war don't jive with the bit in italics? Obama talked about benchmarks, guess what, now both the Iraqis and the Bush admin have settled on them. With Biden in one ear and Zbigniew and all the other foreign policy pols in the other I think he'll do fine. Have you heard that Luger has a good shot at SecState? |
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yawarakaijin
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Well, the Republicans fabricated a case for that war. Figuring out how to fight an insurgency 5 years into manufacturing one does not deserve a cookie. And it is the height of cynicism to create a war out of thin air and then use the execution of that war as your highest selling point. No?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93293353 |
Spot on. Now who would have the balls to publicly call the Republicans on this. I doubt no one. He would instantly be seen as "attacking the troops" or being "unpatriotic". |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| ST. PAUL, Minnesota (CNN) -- Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani continued the barrage on Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama on Wednesday night, calling him a "celebrity senator" with no leadership experience. |
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/03/rnc.day/index.html
This from New York's celebrity (former) mayor. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| His speech was excellent. But S. Palin's is blowing me away. She is awesome. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
Well, the Republicans fabricated a case for that war. Figuring out how to fight an insurgency 5 years into manufacturing one does not deserve a cookie. And it is the height of cynicism to create a war out of thin air and then use the execution of that war as your highest selling point. No?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93293353 |
Spot on. Now who would have the balls to publicly call the Republicans on this. I doubt no one. He would instantly be seen as "attacking the troops" or being "unpatriotic". |
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/biden-rips-bush.html
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Looking to the future but with one eye on the past, Biden also promised that an Obama-Biden government would go through Bush administration data with �a fine-toothed comb� and pursue criminal charges if necessary.
�If there has been a basis upon which you can pursue someone for a criminal violation,� he said, �they will be pursued, not out of vengeance, not out of retribution - out of the need to preserve the notion that no one, no one, no attorney general, no president, no one is above the law.� |
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Rteacher
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Location: Western MA, USA
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She's probably blown (away?) lots of people to get to the top ...  |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Rteacher: you are all class.
Her speech |
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Zutronius
Joined: 16 Apr 2007
Location: Suncheon
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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Ny Times article on Palin's speech
I think it is a pretty good summary.
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Republican delegates holding up �Palin Power� signs greeted Wednesday�s speech as a Norma Rae moment, but for viewers it came closer to Garbo Speaks.
Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska spoke and did it forcefully, confidently and with humor, and that was plenty, because the most damaging part of the last 48 hours was her silence. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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You guys like Rudy? I thought he was rude.
You got to give it up to Palin. Holy Crap! She came out swinging.
Best quote of the night;
Huckabee, "Palin got more votes as Mayor of hickville than Joe Biden running for president."
Amazing! |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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huh...so I just read her whole speech. Color me badd but I can't say I was all that amazed by it.
I was happy to see this:
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| The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes ... raise payroll taxes ... raise investment income taxes ... raise the death tax ... raise business taxes ... and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars. |
Laying on the fear of a "greater tax burden" appeared to be a HUGE get for her.
Seriously, are Americans paid SO LITTLE for their work that they can't afford any more taxes placed upon them? Canadians have a FAR heavier tax burden yet our standard of living is at par or greater. What gives Yanks? Can y'all not afford it?
I was hoping that, as a Conservative, she'd be more keen to ensure fiscal RESPONSIBILITY by her government. Luckily for her, that could not have been very hard in Alaska (you have a budget surplus? Wow...whoop-dee-doo...did you do that all by yourself?).
It's not that the multi-trillions of dollars in unrestrained orgiastic spending is going to change. Hell no! Governments have no reason to be fiscally responsible.
Lastly,...this comment at the end:
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| Our nominee doesn't run with the Washington herd. |
Is a freakin' crock! It's impossible to get involved in the Washington herd without running with it and giving the electorate the impression that J-dawg "is a rebel" seems dishonest to me. |
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