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Can anyone explain the belt system for martial arts here?
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:56 pm    Post subject: Can anyone explain the belt system for martial arts here? Reply with quote

I am familiar with the belt system in Canada. I studied Tae Kwan Do (full contact) for seven years, and reached a blue belt. Long time ago.

Fast forward to the present in Korea. My son is three and a half years old (western). He has now had about 15 Wu Shu classes. He also now has a yellow belt. I knew two foreigners here, and have heard about others, who got their "balck belt" in less than a year. I call it the tourist black belt. I really don't want my son receiving belts he didn't properly earn. Attendance doesn't count. Thee are a few blue belts, a green belt, and a black belt or two at his school also. I don't think anyone is more than ten years old.

Should I just send him back to school with his white belt and hope the instructor understands?

Is there a different level system in play? I mean, Does he have a yellow for kids, and then maybe ten years from now, start the belts over again with higher requirements? I'm confused. If my son ever wears a black belt, I want to make sure he can be proud of it.
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Pooty



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Korea there is deep cultural problem with competition. Most important thing is no leave behind anyone. If Korean feel he is leave behind other peer in group, then he depression very much.

That, and money is buy everything. All belt everyone black has OK.

Key to understand is this: Keep practice every day, even though you don't really deserve black belt, one day you will.

Thank you for understand Korean culture, have nice day. Very Happy
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chevro1et



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually there is a different set of requirements for a 'children's' belt as opposed to an 'adult' belt. Once your son is old enough, he will basically start all over but have a head start from his previous training. That aside, I think that every federation of every different martial art has a slightly different color sequence to their belts. All I know is that to attain a hapkido black belt in the federation that I train with, you have to go before a panel of 3 grand masters and do your thing... no guarantees on passing, thats for sure.
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aboxofchocolates



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Can anyone explain the belt system for martial arts here Reply with quote

poet13 wrote:
I am familiar with the belt system in Canada. I studied Tae Kwan Do (full contact) for seven years, and reached a blue belt. Long time ago.

Fast forward to the present in Korea. My son is three and a half years old (western). He has now had about 15 Wu Shu classes. He also now has a yellow belt. I knew two foreigners here, and have heard about others, who got their "balck belt" in less than a year. I call it the tourist black belt. I really don't want my son receiving belts he didn't properly earn. Attendance doesn't count. Thee are a few blue belts, a green belt, and a black belt or two at his school also. I don't think anyone is more than ten years old.

Should I just send him back to school with his white belt and hope the instructor understands?

Is there a different level system in play? I mean, Does he have a yellow for kids, and then maybe ten years from now, start the belts over again with higher requirements? I'm confused. If my son ever wears a black belt, I want to make sure he can be proud of it.


Nah, it's just that Western and Eastern (Japan included) have a different perception of what a blackbelt means.

I am not sure what belt system you used at home, but think of a Korean blackbelt as similar to the third belt in whatever grading system they used back home- you have to know the material, but noone expects the sort of mastery you would get from someone who has trained for years. That's why you aren't a master until your fourth degree.

This is how it works in my school. For every dan you get to you have to study that many more years to reach your next degree (one more year of study to get your second degree, two more to get your third, etc). So while the lower dans aren't necessarily impressive (and are not expected to be) by the time you get to sixth dan you can see they put their time in.

And do you remember how proud you were of your yellow belt, and your green belt and your pink belt with purple poka-dots? It isn't the color, it's the accomplishment of getting to the next level. Can your son do his forms, kicks, and punches? Does he try to show them off to you when he is studying for a test? That's the main thing. Belts keep pants up.

Oh, and belt tests make money, but there is no escaping that.
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poet13



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Can your son do his forms, kicks, and punches? Does he try to show them off to you when he is studying for a test? "

That's the thing. His forms, kicks, and punches are rudimentary. He had no level test that I know of. He's 3. Yes, he loves to show off, but h'es all over the place. More energy and enthusiasm than anything.

I worry a little that he will tell someone back home or in the Philippines that he's got a black belt and then either get his butt handed to him, or be emabrassed when he's shown how worthless it really is.
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shifter2009



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pooty wrote:
In Korea there is deep cultural problem with competition. Most important thing is no leave behind anyone. If Korean feel he is leave behind other peer in group, then he depression very much.

That, and money is buy everything. All belt everyone black has OK.

Key to understand is this: Keep practice every day, even though you don't really deserve black belt, one day you will.

Thank you for understand Korean culture, have nice day. Very Happy


Do you run my hagwon?
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640x480



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Martial arts is too general a term. As for tae kwon do, there are only
supposed to be 5 or 6 colors.

White, yellow, blue, red (red & black) and black. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Practitioners used to stay with their color unless they really improved enough to move up to the next one. Now, there are so many colors with stripes and badges and all this crap. Makes more money for the dojos...
I don't even consider TKD a martial art anymore. The only thing it is good for is scoring points on clean shots...like fencing with your feet. In my mind, it is officially a sport.
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poet13



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, when I wsas a kid, TKD was all about punching and kicking the crap out of each other. We were ultra violent little buggers, but we followed TKD forms. My parents refused to let me continue when I was about 14 after the Instructors assistant (senior blue belt) kicked me in the throat (we were doing full contact sparring and I was driving him back) and I started breathing into my neck. Looked like a bullfrog.

The crap I see in the Olympics might as well be renamed, "The Dance of the Inaffective...however it's spelled.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't there a rumor that TKD may lose it's spot in the Summer games? I heard attendance was low and it was boring.

It was crazy boring for me as well. Something needs to be done about the point system because it really limits the art. It it was up to me, the winner would be decided round by round like boxing. I know it won't happen because Olympics require very strict guidelines.
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blackjack



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another thing to realise is back home you only go once or twice a week. Here to get a black belt in a year you go 5 times a week. If you go five times a week one and a half hour lessons for a year thats a lot of lessons, esp if you put in the effort

In Hapkido to go up each stage you have to know particular throws, holds, submissions, kicks, blocks, forms, sword forms, numchuck forms, staff forms and even fan forms depending on the level. Sure there are kids that do it half arsed but they still had to know the techniques.
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ReeseDog



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Can anyone explain the belt system for martial arts here Reply with quote

poet13 wrote:

I studied Tae Kwan Do (full contact) for seven years, and reached a blue belt.



Sooo...that means that you might be able to beat my 85 year-old grand-m�re. With her yellow belt in Shotokan. When she's drunk. On her bad arthritis day.

Tae Kwan Do. Pfffft!
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poet13



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you quote someone, especially when you suggest that they're claiming to be a tough guy, or at least some kind of skilled at something, I would suggest including the FULL quote and use it in context.

"I studied Tae Kwan Do (full contact) for seven years, and reached a blue belt. Long time ago."

This, "Long time ago.", being the operative sentence as part of the question as to whether the belt system over the 29 years since I last put on a TKD uniform had changed.
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ReeseDog



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

poet13 wrote:
When you quote someone, especially when you suggest that they're claiming to be a tough guy, or at least some kind of skilled at something, I would suggest including the FULL quote and use it in context.

"I studied Tae Kwan Do (full contact) for seven years, and reached a blue belt. Long time ago."

This, "Long time ago.", being the operative sentence as part of the question as to whether the belt system over the 29 years since I last put on a TKD uniform had changed.


Lighten up, cupcake. I was kidding.

I actually don't know much about martial arts at all. I just see lots of posts on this forum shitting all over Tae Kwan Do and wonder why that is.
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After I typed my post, I wondered if that was the case... Embarassed



And just for the record, I can definitely beat your grandmothers ass.....if she's really 85 as you say....with arthritis.

(not the drunk part. I think that works against me.)
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Temporary



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black Belt 1st Leve =Mastering the basics;

I have a black belt in Kyuk Too Ki, Been doing it for 2.5 years. I didn't bother with tests until I was ready. I have the choice of taking it. It costs 15k. Next test I do will be my 2nd level in 4 months time. In my ggym to advance to 2nd level ITS way harder. You have to have at least 2 amatuer fights, and at leaast 1 years training and you have to demonstrate high profficency. There is no forms or pre-set anything.

Black belt in Tae Kwon do doesn't mean much here. Practically every one has one.
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