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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:48 am Post subject: |
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I got to talk to Joe Vogler a couple of times and hear his spiel at the Alaska State Fair. He would reel it off to anyone who would listen. He actually made some sense. I, personally, would have no problem with Alaska becoming independent.
And I can tell you, I met Joe Vogler, and Joe Vogler would never have supported Sarah Palin.
The problem is the Alaska Independence Party got taken over by crooks like Hickel, whackos like John Lindauer, and political backstabbers like Jack Coghill. It is now used as a Republican suicide pill to prevent any pro-life Republicans from becoming governor; a fundamentalist Republican simply runs on AIP to siphon votes away from a moderate Republican. That's how bad the evangelicals want control of the Republican Party. And that's why Sarah Palin (and her husband) was a member, and kow towed to their convention -- she might have wound up as an AIP candidate.
Palin a reformer? Bull. She and the evangelicals have helped drive the real reformers out of the state Republican Party. The moderates and the ones who have pushed for ethics reform left the party.
The other problem is it is truly crazy for a person to run for VP who would support states leaving the union. Isn't it? Or perhaps we should just let the United States break up. On second thought....
Some of you may be skeptical about how far from the mainstream Palin is, religiously. Here's one of those Say Whats? from Doonesbury, today:
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"I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that."
-- Gov. Sarah Palin, urging Pentecostal congregants to pray for a $30 billion natural gas pipeline project that she wanted built in her state. |
http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/
Given that she handed a Canadian company a half billion dollars to plan a pipeline, without any commitment that they actually build the pipeline, and with a vow from the oil companies that own the gas that they would build their own and not sell the gas to TransCanada, I guess I would pray, too.
What is she going to do as vice president, get Conoco Philips' Jim Bowles to a Pentacostal prayer meeting?
Is she going to go on TV and ask all Americans to pray for Putin to see the Christian light?
Ask yourselves, how the heck did fundamentalist Christians get to know so much about Sarah Palin long before her selection (while the rest of the nation had never heard of her), so much so that $7 million rolled in to McCain's campaign coffers overnight? Evangelical Christians have a strong political network. The churches can deliver votes, by the precinct, city, county, state, or nation. Evangelicals all over the U.S. apparently had heard that Palin was "one of us."
One of the reasons Korea is bearable, is that I can actually watch the nuggets from Dave Letterman:
http://lateshow.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/dave_tv/monologue/index/php/monologue.phtml
Check out his 9-3 and 9-2 monologues.
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Sarah Palin is an avid hunter. A vice president who loves guns; what could go wrong there?
Is it just me, or does Sarah Palin look like a model for LensCrafters.
Sarah Palin gave a tremendous speech to the Republicans, although some are claiming it was actually her daughter's speech. |
I have the feeling every stand-up comedian in the country is going to vote for McCain, now. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:16 am Post subject: |
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OK I think I've got it figured out now.
Think. Why would Sarah Palin and her husband join the Alaska Independence Party, despite the potential damage to her reputation as a Republican politician?
Because if enough evangelical Christians were enrolled as members of the Alaska Independence Party, they could show up at the state convention (to which she sent a conglatulatory video) and determine the selection of candidates of this otherwise miniscule party.
If the evangelicals didn't like the Republican (and Democratic) candidate, they could put one of their own on the AIP ballot for governor, or another office, and at least sabotage the moderate Republican. They could also conceivably arrange for a candidate that might siphon votes away from a Democrat.
And even if they didn't do this, they could hold it out as a threat. This is sometimes called "extortion."
There was some talk much earlier in the year of evangelicals running a third party candidate if a moderate Republican emerged from the presidential primaries. This is evangelical SOP.
--- "Evangelical Christians of America -- You run, we deliver!" |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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McCain vows to end 'partisan rancor,' seizing theme of change from rival
ST. PAUL — Senator John McCain accepted the Republican presidential nomination Thursday with a pledge to move the nation beyond “partisan rancor” and narrow self-interest in a speech in which he markedly toned down the blistering attacks on Barack Obama that had filled the first nights of his convention. |
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/05/us/politics/05repubs.html?_r=1&hp=&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1220588377-4xSJSRAs%20aKKFXDy8s9dPg&pagewanted=all
Isn't that a bit like Hitler vowing to end antisemitism?
What's McCain's plan, outlaw godless liberals? Eliminate people like me?
Oh, I get it now. He plans to redefine "partisan rancor," just like Palin has redefined the word "reform" and the campaign has redefined "change."
I think we are going to need a new dictionary if McCain-Palin are elected. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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Gotta love Democratic thinking. So now J. McCain is analogous to A. Hitler. Yesterday, it was W. Bush. But today, it is J. McCain.
Go figure. |
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kotakji
Joined: 23 Oct 2006
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Barring the fact that McCain is a pretty bad orator (although bad enough that its cute) I liked what he had to say in general. I was glad the attack rhetoric was minimal, even though I wish he had taken the high road and left Obama out of the speech completely. When talking about past politics he indited his own party about as much as the democrats which is laudable.
On a side note, the person (people?) who disrupted his speech really cast a negative shadow on their movement. How classless.
(Edit for redundancy)
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| On a side note, the person (people?) who disrupted his speech really cast a negative shadow on their movement. How classless. |
I agree. It was "people." More specifically, the leftist women, of course. Welcome to the I-only-know-how-to-disrupt-and-heckle left. |
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fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: Vancouver
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| kotakji wrote: |
Barring the fact that McCain is a pretty bad orator (although bad enough that its cute) I liked what he had to say in general. I was glad the attack rhetoric was minimal, even though I wish he had taken the high road and left Obama out of the speech completely. When talking about past politics he indited his own party about as much as the democrats which is laudable.
On a side note, the person (people?) who disrupted his speech really cast a negative shadow on their movement. How classless.
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Yeah, I agree...he is a bad speaker. However, he does seem to pull it off.
As for the others tonight...I thought they were horrible. Especially sen Lindsey. He made horrible comments about Obama. |
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Nowhere Man

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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:37 pm Post subject: ... |
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| Gotta love Democratic thinking. |
Can't you people celebrate your convention without insulting thought? |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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Can you people not permit us to celebrate our convention without your usual crude disruptiveness in the first place? Did we invade Denver?  |
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Nowhere Man

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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| You are right. Looks pretty serious. What do you think we ought to do, Mrs. Gopher? |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:00 am Post subject: |
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Republicans, the party of change?
If the Republican Party changed anything in their strategy for Presidential races, half their members would drop dead of shock.
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September 7, 2008
Target Practice
Media Bashing 101
By MARK LEIBOVICH
St. Paul
SARAH PALIN�S national opening last week was judged an unqualified success by the media elite, even though much of her debut speech Wednesday night was devoted to whacking the media elite.
�I�ve learned quickly, these past few days, that if you�re not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone,� Governor Palin of Alaska said, drawing the wildest applause of what would be the raucous night of the Republican convention.
Ms. Palin capped off a succession of speakers, � Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee � who took turns pummeling their favorite target, the news media, which in turn gave the news media the chance to talk about its favorite subject all week (the news media).
We have played this video game before. Indeed, the Republican tradition of media-bashing goes back decades, at least to the convention of 1964 when former President Dwight D. Eisenhower called out "sensation-seeking columnists and commentators," and the Cow Palace in San Francisco burst into jeers and catcalls at the reporters there. The sentiment was immortalized in Richard Nixon�s vice president Spiro Agnew who memorably charged that many in the press corps were mere �nattering nabobs of negativism� � and for good measure � �an effete corps of impudent snobs.�
In other words, the bashers and bashees have been through this and know the drill. There was an almost homey familiarity to the ritual. And despite the hot words from the podium, it was hard to find a journalist last week who felt any unusual sense of siege or discomfort....
Given the amount of time Republicans devoted to slamming the �mainstream,� �elite,� �establishment,� �left wing� �Washington insider� members of the fourth estate, it�s worth asking how much the exercise will really advance the party cause.
�It�s a very unifying thing in the world of the Republican base,� said Mike Murphy, the Republican media strategist and former McCain lieutenant. �But I doubt there�s any swing voter outside Cleveland who would think the big problem in this country these days is media bias against Republicans.�
Kevin Madden, a former aide to Mr. Romney�s presidential campaign, said that complaining about press bias can win short-term sympathy for Republicans. �It�s sort of a two-by-four to the media�s mouth that we like to wield,� he said. There�s a certain comfort to it, he said, �and maybe it results in some self-evaluation from the media that will result in more balanced coverage.�
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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catman

Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: |
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| �I�ve learned quickly, these past few days, that if you�re not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone,� |
Is the Bush administation considered part of the "elite"? |
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