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[fiveeagles]

Pro Palin video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjGhy8LVwAo

Pro Obama video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj2dMb6fecY

I would like to see Newt vs Carville on this one.

I think McCain did this on purpose so that this debate would happen.

[Czarjorge]

It depends on how you define experience. Is running a campaign for two years executive experience? Do you take into account the size of Alaska's population when taking into account Palin's experience? Are we talking specifically about 'executive' experience, or about foreign policy experience? What about experience examining the issues that face our country?

In terms of experience needed to be President Obama wins as he's been preparing for the job for several years and Palin has been the head of one of the third smallest state in terms of population in the nation.

Would you really want Palin to be President?

[aka Dave]

I think the whole experience thing is bogus. I think a really effective CEO who's brilliant and tough could be an excellent choice, even if they had no government experience. Abraham Lincoln, our best president, had little experience.

More important: who has the intelligence, wisdom, patience, good sense, and leadership skills to be an effective executive.

In that case Obama blows her away.

[Rteacher]

I think that Palin (aptly nicknamed "baracuda") clearly has more experience being a nasty bitch.

[fiveeagles]

[Czarjorge]

How would facing Papa Bear be any worse than facing criticism from Hillary? Facing Papa Bear is significantly less valuable in terms of real political importance than facing Hillary.

And yes, running a state and running a campaign for President are very different. For one, Obama had more employees running a national campaign for President than Palin had in Alaska. You do understand how small the population of Alaska is, dont' you?

[aarontendo]

So are we saying that we can't vote in politicians from smaller states? I guess we should just stick to people from Texas that's worked well thus far.

[Czarjorge]

[Tiger Beer]

Only fiveeagles would NOT have researched any of this to know the difference. Is RIGHT WING TALK RADIO that strong even in Canada, or is that just international evangelical groups that spread misinformation across the border as well.

Obama is a Senator PLUS has a LAW DEGREE plus graduated from COLOMBIA. Plus has international experience oozing out of him and everything else you can imagine. He hasn't been around as long as the fossilized guys like Biden and McCain, but he certainly has some pretty amazing credentials. Colombia University and Law Degrees certainly aren't a joke, and neither is wrestling a campaign away from Hiliary, and certainly not being on the Senate Floor with the big boys and holding his own all along the way, and out-doing most of the ones already there. It is no accident that he is where he is today.

PALIN. Well, for starters, I have more education than PALIN. She has a B.A. from the University of Idaho. She got her first passport two years ago in 2006. She is JUST BARELY qualified to teach ENGLISH in KOREA, and only at hogwan jobs. She has NO exposure on the national stage whatsoever, just pushed into the spot for being a gun-toting mother of 5 kids. Those ARE her qualifications. If she WASN'T a NRA MOTHER, she certainly wouldn't have been offered THIS kind of position by McCain, and she CERTAINLY wouldnt have made it this far if she were campaigning as PREZ back in January and trying to run with the big boys all along the way with NO creditionals to her. It was just a few months ago that she was wondering what a V.P. even does.

You have to REALLY be a VERY VERY PARTISAN person to even suggest that Palin is anywhere even in the same ballpark next to Obama, let alone MORE THAN Obama.

[aarontendo]

Palin has her state for two years time, led her town before that. Obama has led...some classroom lectures and polls.

Anytime people point out her lack of experience I sorta laugh, she's running for VP which is a glorified training position. I would hope Obama would have more experience than her, since he'll be calling all the shots. Sad fact is, he is pretty damn light in the experience department.

If we're going to vote for someone based purely on experience I don't think Obama's got much of a chance.

[aka Dave]

If Obama actually loses, I deeply, sincerely hope that 2 weeks into the McCain administration he dies a natural death (in his sleep) and Palin becomes president.

I think the entire country (save right wingers) would go "Holy Sh*t!"

[Tiger Beer]

Other governors like Richardson or Schwarzennegger who have national exposure and a national presense I can respect highly. People like Richardson has been involved in international affairs for a long time and highly respected for it.

Palin seems like someone who LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY came out of the woodwork. She has only now been tested by the media for less than a week, and all kinds of skeletons are raining from her closet.

It's like watching a HOLLYWOOD movie of someone who clearly doesn't belong in the position she seems to have had thrust on her. The kind that are so unbelievable and so ludicrious it is actually hard to even sit and watch the film.

Unlike other governors, she hasn't done anything for the Republican Party or for our nation whatsoever (she boasts the opposite that she is not part of the party and has no intention to be part of it). She has tried to fire a police officer who had a relationship with her sister, (sounds very local politics type stuff). She was just elected as governor about year and half ago...and of Alaska, which is a windfall of cash state...what kind of budget does she balance there when it gets so much free federal money they have to distribute it to their citizens in cash payments?

Her husband is a commercial fisherman...and she is a self-proclaimed hockey mom of 5 kids...if the hubbie is out in the ocean all day, how is she governing Alaska and raising 5 kids at the same time by herself? How does she divide her time?

So it comes down to ONLY a B.A. degree from a state college, NO inter'l or nat'l exposure whatsoever, and came out of a small tiny Alaska town. For her governor time, it has been so short, there has been little info of what she has done at all. She certainly hasn't done anything nationally or internationally as other governors might boast. In fact, its the opposite, she speaks and continues to speak of 'Alaska First' politics.

OBAMA...very powerful nat'l and intern'l presense...significantly higher educated, plays well with audiences...beat out a very popular Democrat which is no small feat in itself...has immense popularity despite being put through the ringer over and over but still coming out a respectable articulate force to be reckoned with. No comparison.

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

Schwarzennegger was not born in the US.

Obama has more experience than Palin. That being said.


Mr. McCain has a much better resume than Mr. Obama.

Mr. Obama compared with other member of the senate doesn't have any kind of special resume.

Mr. Obama's performance in the senate was about average.

As I said Obama in 2008 is most like George w. Bush in 2000 . He is a good at telling people things they want to hear without offering anything of much substance. Bush in 2000 had a nothing special resume compared to other senators and governors and Obama of 2008 has a nothing special resume compared to other senators and governors.

If it were about having a top notch resume Bush would not have been elected in 2000 and If it were about having a top notch resume Obama would not be the candidate now. Here is the cold truth : Mr Obama in 2008 at this point isn't much different than Dan Quayle was in 1988 except that Mr. Obama is much more articulate and he has a more compelling personal story.


Biden , Richardson, McCain , Romeny , Liberman or Codi Rice all have much better resumes than Mr. Obama. Who can say otherwise?


Mr. Obama's supporters began to care about experience around 150 hours ago.

[Ya-ta Boy]

Let's start with admitting that neither has as much experience as we'd all like. I said that about Obama last December. I certainly have no trouble saying it about Palin now.

Obama has done one thing significant that Palin has not done. He has exposed himself to the members of the Democratic Party in a series of debates, speeches and various other public forums where he earned the trust of slightly more than half the party. It's reasonable to assume that most of Senator Clinton's supporters didn't hate him, they just prefered her, many only because she was a woman and wanted this year to be the year a woman took the White House and brought a sense of completion to their life's work.

Governor Palin was dropped on us unexpectedly exactly one week ago. She has not earned the public's trust. People are still learning about her, her past, her policies and most importantly, her personality. She has had some political experience: town council, mayor and governor. All of it in small venues, but experience with governing nonetheless.

The question now is policy and personality. It doesn't take long to learn her policy stances and people will choose to support or oppose her on those issues. The larger issue right now is, if McCain/Palin should win, would people be comfortable with her as back-up. Right now, only her family, friends and fools would say yes. In a month or so, that could well change. She may prove to have the character that would give people a sense that the country is in trustworthy hands should she have to step in and finish the term.

[Kuros]