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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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Alaska has 4 official political parties: Dem, Rep, AIP and the Libertarians. She was endorsed by the Libertarian Party in her run for Gov. and would want support from the AIP as well, so good politics.
and it's working:
Palin Power: Fresh Face Now More Popular Than Obama, McCain
http://news.yahoo.com/s/rasmussen/20080905/pl_rasmussen/palinpower20080905
rasmussenreports.com
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| A week ago, most Americans had never heard of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin. Now, following a Vice Presidential acceptance speech viewed live by more than 40 million people, Palin is viewed favorably by 58% of American voters. |
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| Perhaps most stunning is the fact that Palin's favorable ratings are now a point higher than either man at the top of the Presidential tickets this year. As of Friday morning, Obama and McCain are each viewed favorably by 57% of voters. Biden is viewed favorably by 48%. |
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wannago
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:15 am Post subject: |
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| Ha ha. Perhaps he will turn back the waters and heal the world after all. |
Cynicism and negativity ... such potent weapons, they are. But only up to a popint. The edge of that knife does become blunt when used often enough, and it doesn't take long for people to start to guess that ignoring the threat might cause no harm, because there are other methods available than caving in to a dark view of life.
In a few days it weill ahve been 7 years since the towers fell at the WTC. That's enough to time. Enough time to grieve, to feel sad or angry or let the worst parts of ourselves rule and try to control the world because we fear it, instead of living in it and taking our place and being part of it.
You want to know why Obama's going to win? He offered people an alternative to fear and anger - and personally, I think it is disrespectful to people who have honest faith in divinity to use sick and twisted metaphors referring to religious figures to point fingers and laugh because you yourself are incapable of imagining people working together to build a better world.
Reagan won against Jimmy Carter in '84 with ads that refuted his American "malaise" notion. He said "It's morning in America," and people ate it up. Carter lost that electiuon and 24 years later ... the GOP lost that message, and where did it go? Let's ask that.
To cynical and snide references about images of faith, such as your comment above about parting the waters? To sarcastic remarks, like Sarah Palin's about "those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot"? To snickering ignorant asides about whether a "community organizer" is better than and "hockey mom"?
Yep. That's all they got. Sarcasm, nagativity and smartass sophomoric jokes.
Well, that's why the Republicans are going to lose bigtime this year. They have nothing good to say, and nothing good to offer. And people have figured that out.
Reagan won with his blunt question, "Are you better off than you were 4 yerars ago?" The GOP has had 8 years, this time, and by now people know what the answer to that question is. The answer is "no." |
Dammit bob, you still owe me a beer from the '04 election. You ought to be delighted republicans are being sarcastic. That's what the dems did with Bushie in two elections and got thumped both times. Remember? |
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Gopher
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| But Gopher. Are you telling me that if it were Obama giving a formal address to an anti-American black group pushing for a referendum on a black homeland on American territory, that you would not regard this as a major issue? |
Frankly, no. Should he wish to incite a minority group of citizens to provoke a civil war that they will lose, badly, and create an environment where no African-Americans will be electable ever again, that would be his business, On the Other Hand. |
Okay. But the AIP has the exact same agenda as the black separatist group I described.
So, by your reasoning...
Sarah Palin is trying to incite a minority group to provoke a civil war(your words, not mine), and as such the Democrats on this thread are trying to ensure that she is not electable in the 2008 election. So what could possibly be your problem with that? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:21 am Post subject: |
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There are Mexican illegals and Mexican-American parties who do promote such a thing, by the way, on very racist grounds, too. They simply enjoy no significant support (outside of those in Academe who cheer them, of course).
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Yes, but you know damn well that if a Democratic presidential candidate expressed support for those groups in a video for their convention, you would have no problem with the GOP making an issue of that, even if that specific group were not racist. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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No. The AIP is not analogous to the Black Panthers or what-have-you. For one thing, AIP seems, from what we have seen, constitutionalist and nonviolent. And I have no problem with any politician from any party addressing such groups. Political plurality, even those who would espouse separatism -- again, constitutionally and nonviolently -- is a good thing, On the Other Hand.
I object to the racism and the violence those you reference stand for and advocate.
There are fundamental differences you seem to be missing here.
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:26 am Post subject: |
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re: her "viewed favorably" ratings...
In my experience, that particular category does not mean much. Ed Boradbent was the leader of the NDP, Canada's socialist party, for many years, and always topped the "most liked leader" polls. But this never translated into enought support to lift the party out of third place. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:28 am Post subject: |
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| Before Palin, the Alaska Independence Party won the Governor's race. It is not some tiny separatist group. Only some AIP members support succession. And no Democrat or Republican is going to win in Alaska without support from one or more of the other parties and independents. Palin is a smart cookie. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Sounds like a better analogy, then, might be the Miami Cubans, the rabidly antiCastro, pro-embargo, Cuba-American community.
And everybody addresses and even expresses support for them all the time. No big deal. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:32 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
No. The AIP is not analogous to the Black Panthers or what-have-you. For one thing, AIP seems, from what we have seen, constitutionalist and nonviolent. And I have no problem with any politician from any party addressing such groups. Political plurality, even those who would espouse separatism -- again, constitutionally and nonviolently -- is a good thing, On the Other Hand.
I object to the racism and the violence those you reference stand for and advocate.
There are fundamental differences you seem to be missing here. |
I never said anything about the group being violent. Do you mean to say that if Obama were to address a black separatist group, the GOP would not make an issue of it unless the group advocated violence? I find that a little hard to believe.
Furthermore...
If the AIP actually did get its way and have a referendum on independence, and that referendum went in favor of seccession, what do you suppose the response of the federal government would be? I think that, at some point, the AIP's advocacy of non-violence would become rather academic, since they would only be able to defend their newly won nation by resort to arms.
Unless you think that the feds would just say "well, they won the vote, so we gotta let 'em go". Which would kind of be an insult to the memory of the boys who died at Gettysburg, no? |
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Gopher
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Well I cannot and do not speak for the GOP. I, however, would not criticize B. Obama in the least for addressing, expressing support, or even actually identifying with and fully supporting any constitutionalist, nonviolent political group in America. No matter their ends. Period.
That is the way I like it. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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Sounds like a better analogy, then, might be the Miami Cubans, the rabidly antiCastro, pro-embargo, Cuba-American community.
And everybody addresses and even expresses support for them all the time. No big deal. |
Yes, but they are not trying to carve out their own Cuban exile nation on territory currently held by the United States. Did this difference between them and the AIP really slip under your radar? |
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Gopher
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:47 am Post subject: |
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| Wow, that guy is annoying. Looks like Bubbles from Trailer Park Boys too. He isn't funny. |
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Apple Scruff
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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Hey, look at me, I'm John McCain! Where are my slippers? Hey, why are these people wearing sideburns? Hey, you missed a spot on my car there, Trevor! Hey, I wanna have sex with Andy Griffith's mouth! Hey! Heeeey! *Pointing of thumbs and death takes place*.
The End. |
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