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PeterDragon



Joined: 15 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:50 pm    Post subject: hj Reply with quote

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Tobias



Joined: 02 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:31 pm    Post subject: It is great Reply with quote

Driving here is great. Not only have I had no problems, I've seen only about 5 wrecks in all my excursions, which have been a lot over the past 18 months. But I've driven in places like NYC/Newark and Acapulco. If one can handle Acapulco without smashing a fender, he can drive anywhere. Driving here's a breeze compared to the 'Co.

Walking on the sidewalk is where people have problems. Sometimes crossing a street on the green signal means running for your life. Don't dream of jaywalking when traffic is anything other than ultralight. Also, minimize your lateral velocity. Motorcyclists and bikers love to ride fast on the sidewalks here.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:43 pm    Post subject: Re: It is great Reply with quote

Tobias wrote:
If one can handle Acapulco without smashing a fender, he can drive anywhere.


You've obviously never been to Cairo. Wink Egypt is to Mexico as Mexico is to Korea.
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Tobias



Joined: 02 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:47 pm    Post subject: I wouldn't be afraid of it Reply with quote

Nope, can't say that I have.

But I wouldn't be afraid of it either. I'd drive in Cairo after the places I've driven. It can't be any worse that what I've seen elsewhere.
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aka Dave



Joined: 02 May 2008
Location: Down by the river

PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's another side to this coin.

Some of us are joggers, pedestrians (actually one of the things I like about Korea and I down have to drive), and I truly despise the "road culture". I mean, essentially you're saying "Hey, here in Korea I can be a sh*tty driver! Awesome!"

I honestly live in an old, very cramped neighborhood with no sidewalks, so I get the worst of things. It's really my only complaint about Korea. Don't have any other real complaints about the place.

As a longtime jogger/cyclist, I used to complain about drivers a lot back home, so whatever. But I've seen too many accidents here.
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earthbound14



Joined: 23 Jan 2007
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll bite,

I do actually like driving here. I drive and ride a motorcycle and when I go home I feel incredibly frustrated with the extreme rules. Driving in Korea is fun....however their are a few too many folks who simply think they can do whatever they like even if the laws of probability or physics simply say it's the dumbest thing on earth to do.

However for the most part Korean drivers are really good. I ride a bicycle here too and Korean drivers are more than capable of handling a cyclist on the side of the road unlike grouchy bitchy drivers in my home town who feel the need to swear at every little thing that might force them to actually pay attention to the road. But as I said, due to the incredibly loose traffic laws here their are far too many idiots who think they can do whatever they want. Bus drivers, tow truck drivers and folks with expensive wheels seem to think they own the roads. Taxi driver, while they piss me off, seem to be able to break the rules with out being a hazard to themselves or others....don't know why this is.

So I think enjoying the driving here because it's fun also has it's hard nasty flip side. You can get into trouble real fast here.

I think something does need to be done. I would love to see cops dong there jobs more effectively. Hell the other day I got a 60,000 won ticket for talking on my phone......The police officer almost caused an accident just flagging me down, then not ten seconds later a bus went screaming through a red light......lawlessness as useal. I never enter an intersection without checking both ways, no matter the light.
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seoulteacher



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:04 am    Post subject: Re: I like driving in Korea Reply with quote

PeterDragon wrote:
... I like that I can run a red light anytime there's no other traffic to yield to. I like that I can park anywhere, even the sidewalk. All the rules of the road that actually matter are unwritten, and I find that exhilarating, makes the whole thing seem like a puzzle based adventure game.
Anyone else feel this way? Or is there just something horribly wrong with me?


P_Dragon, I never did drive (a car) in Korea, but had a scooter and, later, a motorbike - which I rode largely on campus only, or in the neighbouring dongs.

I loved it: crossing on crosswalks, riding and parking on sidewalks, and being able to safely leave a strapped-down box on the pilion seat (filled with whatever, sometimes in plain sight, showing through the webbing that kept things in place). Not to mention a world-class mechanic who consistently undercharged me, and wouldn`t hear of increasing his fee; so much so that I made it my business to make sure that I brought gifts for his 2 kids at special times, eg. Christmas and Chuseok.

And, before joggers or others complain about motorbikes on the sidewalk, I always rode slowly and very carefully on the sidewalk, being extra attentive to pedestrians. Yes, I do think those pizza delivery and other crazed two-wheeled sidewalk travellers need to be hoisted up on the nearest tree or street light - a very irresponsible breed! And one that the police should come down hard on.

But, all in all, great fun sans the life-sapping regulations of the `more-advanced` countries Smile

Ah, I miss it...enough to return!


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earthbound14



Joined: 23 Jan 2007
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aka Dave wrote:


I mean, essentially you're saying "Hey, here in Korea I can be a sh*tty driver! Awesome!"


I don't think he means that. What he means is that he is free to be a better driver. He is able to use his own discretion while driving rather than worry every minute if he might be doing something that the traffic police have decided is dangerous.

Driving in Korea has improved my driving skill and I've had tons of fun driving here as dangerous as it might be. Kind of selfish, I know, but I like being able to think for myself from time to time.

Back home I find myself driving like a drone. 4am, no traffic in sight, yet I sit waiting patiently, sheeplike, for the light to change.
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aka Dave



Joined: 02 May 2008
Location: Down by the river

PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a pedestrian, who's 61 kilos, going against your vehicle, which weighs 2k kilos, I don't like my chances in a collision. So I'd really prefer you respect traffic safety laws; reaction time when driving fast is reduced, using a cell phone while driving is the equivalent to being drunk, and running red lights at 4am (and why the hell are you driving at 4am? you're either tired or drunk or both) may include slamming into an obscure pedestrian.

Traffic saftety is one of those things where I don't sanction garbage, because it's life or death. I've lost *several* good friends to traffic accidents and have seen way too many accidents here.

I really don't care what you enjoy. You're endangering the lives of other people.
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Cheonmunka



Joined: 04 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to take the train all the time, then I got a set of car keys. I began to prefer driving than taking the subway.

But, the traffic jams, the people parking in my car park and watching people do silly and illegal stuff, I sometimes prefer to slow down, so take the train again.


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jkelly80



Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?

PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Driving in Korea is like Christmas if you lack impulse control and even a modicum of civic duty. It's like an orgasm wrapped in a delicious candy shell.
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pidgin



Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of my overseas driving experiences,....Saudi-Thailand-Korea...(multipile years in each)...Korea is the easiest and safest by far!!
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earthbound14



Joined: 23 Jan 2007
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aka Dave wrote:
As a pedestrian, who's 61 kilos, going against your vehicle, which weighs 2k kilos, I don't like my chances in a collision. So I'd really prefer you respect traffic safety laws; reaction time when driving fast is reduced, using a cell phone while driving is the equivalent to being drunk, and running red lights at 4am (and why the hell are you driving at 4am? you're either tired or drunk or both) may include slamming into an obscure pedestrian.

Traffic saftety is one of those things where I don't sanction garbage, because it's life or death. I've lost *several* good friends to traffic accidents and have seen way too many accidents here.

I really don't care what you enjoy. You're endangering the lives of other people.


Yes, we all know reaction time while driving fast is reduced......I don't think I was advocating driving like an F-1 driver. I was merely stating that in Korea I don't have to be freaked out that I'm driving a little over the speed limit. Things in my home town are so nuts with traffic cameras that I spend more of my attention and time on trying to keep the speedo just right. In Korea I can actually pay attention to the road.

Cell phone while driving? Like being drunk? bollocks. Is talking to your passenger the same as being drunk? Perhaps trying to dial or send text messages....Do you eat while you drive? Sip a coffe while you drive? How the hell is chatting suddenly like being drunk?

Running a red light at 4 am? ....you suggest I was drunk or really tired? How the hell do you know, and are you advocating that roads be closed late at night because people might be a little sleepy? Perhaps we should make a rule that you need to have been awake for 1 hour prior to driving. I notice that I'm a little groggy still if I jump in the car too soon after I wake up. The fact that a perfectly rational human being can't make a single judgement call when conditions are clearly safe (obviously no obscure pedestrians) is frightening.

But, I'm not fully disagreeing with you. I've seen too many traffic accidents, I've almost ben involved in a few (luckily only one was my fault....I mistakenly ran a red light and almost nailed a car while riding my motorcycle....scary lesson in paying attention).

Back home I feel like we seem to think we can legally make it 100% safe. That somehow we can make rules that will simply remove all hazards in life.

While in Korea it seems to be the opposite. I think it's a little too far the other way, but it has shown me just how insanely rule bound my home conutry has become, as if by law we can will ife to be perfect and we can always find a way to make it somebodies fault. Korea needs some of that, don't get me wrong....I know you've read some of my other posts about horrible stuff that I've seen on the roads here and how pissed off I am about it.

I hear ya, Korea needs a good kick in the arse. But after driving here I'm starting to realize that there are certain merits to Korean driving culture. Koreans are able to react, willing to react to other peoples mistakes on the road. I've been impressed with the number of good drivers on the road here. On the other hand there are so many poor drivers. They don't get properly trained, the rules aren't well known and since the rules are not enforced that well more than a few drivers sem to think they can do whatever they please. These are the truly dangerous drivers. They are erractic and drive as if the laws of physics don't apply to them. These people need to be stopped.

You missed the point I was making about being pulled over for using my phone.....not 10 seconds later a bus screamed through a red light....which is more dangerous? The cop who was pulling me over (ans if that is the law of the land, I'll abide by it....provided I had known in the first place) was not doing his job. He should have been pulling over the bus driver. Pulling people over for using their phones in Korea is absurd when so many others are getting away with such stupidity. The stupidity that has endangered you.
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ellegarden



Joined: 01 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they don't teach people to do a shoulder check here. My girlfriend always freaked out on me when I tried to change lanes and I checked my blindspot. Finally I parked next to a car put her in the driver seat and showed her exactly what a blindspot was.
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karri



Joined: 14 Jan 2007
Location: south korea

PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the OP. Driving here rocks. There is something to be said for personal responsability. I like that I'm not policed at every turn. I run red lights at empty intersections aswell. I treat them like a 4 way stops.

I don't find that there are that many more crazy drivers here then there were back home. To be fair i live out in the country, I'm sure driving in Seoul is a whole other thing.
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