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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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 Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:14 pm Post subject: John McCain |
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Don't want to muddy the waters on the discussion of Sarah Palin.
But she isn't running for President, John McCain is.
So, who is John McCain? The real McCain?
Is he an honors student from Annapolis, or did he graduate in the bottom 1 percent of his class (894th out of 899 students), saved from expulsion by having a father and grandfather who were admirals?
Was he a right stuff fighter pilot, or a bottom of the barrel bomber pilot who wasn't allowed to fly any other planes, and who dropped napalm on little children?
Will he stand up to lobbyists, or will the more than 140 lobbyists in his campaign be put in charge of running the government if McCain is elected?
Is he a maverick or a marionette?
Which is it?
Sources, people, sources!
OK, opinions, too, so long as they aren't masquerading as fact.
Here's a little opinion that makes sense to me:
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John McCain is not actually running for president. He�s running for Senate majority leader. All his passion is directed at defects in the legislative process. He�s been a military man or a senator for virtually all of his adult life, and listening to him talk, you get the definite impression that the two great threats of the 21st century are Islamic extremism and the appropriations committee.
�When I�m president, the first earmark, pork-barrel bill that comes across my desk � I will veto it!� he announced right off the bat. �You will know their names!�
McCain hates, hates, hates earmarking � the Congressional habit of sticking appropriations for special back-home projects in the budget without going through the normal priority-setting process. He talks about it with an enthusiasm that he never manages to summon for the economy, health care or education.
Earmarks are indeed a bad thing. If you ever become a U.S. senator, please dedicate yourself to getting rid of them. But for the chief executive of the country, they�re about as critical a problem as the overlong Christmas shopping season.
�As governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin said: �We don�t need a Bridge to Nowhere, and if we do, we�ll build it ourselves!� � McCain enthused.
The Bridge to Nowhere was that $230 million federal appropriation to help build a span to an island with only a few dozen residents. For McCainiacs, the fight to kill that bridge was the Battle of New Orleans, the invasion of Normandy and the charge up San Juan Hill all rolled into one. |
more:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/06/opinion/06collins.html?_r=1&em&oref=slogin
For Bush, the answer to every question at one point was We need more tax cuts.
For McCain, the answer to every question seems to be We need to eliminate earmarks.
Is that really the only thing wrong with the United States?
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| He's ok by me. |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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spliff:
Now there's a ringing endorsement.
I can see the campaign signs now: McCain's OK.
But why?
Do you like antiques?
He's also 72 years old. He was born in 1936. It is now 2008. The world has changed; has John McCain?
When Ronald Reagan ran for re-election, he pledged: "I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience."
At that point, Reagan was 73 years old. By comparison with McCain, Reagan was a gentleman. McCain is a cynic who has every intention of attacking his opponent as being too young and inexperienced, his VP as being too old and experienced, whatever it takes. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:35 am Post subject: |
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| spliff wrote: |
| He's ok by me. |
That's all the endorsement I need. He had me at 'He's'. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:22 am Post subject: |
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| I used to kind of like McCain because he fairly frequently broke with his party. But during the campaign he slid back to the right and chose a conservative veep candidate. Now I don't know what to believe about him. If elected, would he follow his instincts or would he have to pay off his political debts? I don't know what he would do. |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:37 am Post subject: |
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| Well, I'd rather it was Jeb but, McCain will do. Won't take a lot to defeat the Dali Bamma. Too bad not the fornicators wife, admittedly that would have been easier. But, still no worries. Nobody wants to give up Iraq and Afghanistan. Hopefully, we can role on some more these next 4 years. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| He's also crap when it comes to Mexican waves. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:55 am Post subject: |
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McCain's temper, sadly, isn't unleashed on only his Senate colleagues, staff, or political opponents. According to Cliff Schecter in his book The Real McCain, three reporters confirmed that while on the campaign trail McCain's wife came up to him, tousled his hair, and said, "You're getting a little thin up there."
According to Schecter, "McCain's face reddened, and he replied, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c***.'"
It's almost like you don't want to go any further, you want to stop right here and say, "Well, ok, maybe it's not a good idea to have this guy's finger on The Button. Is Mitt Romney still available?" |
-Michael Moore Mike's Election Guide 2008 |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:31 am Post subject: |
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John McCain, release you college transcript!
We know your class ranking, 894th out of 899 students. But what were your grades?
http://nonprophet.typepad.com/nonprophet/2008/08/john-mccain-cla.html
How do you manage to graduate that low and not get kicked out?
Think this is just the liberal press making stuff up?
Watch this:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=srbX26vp57c
OK, now this you might call liberal, though not the press. But frankly, to conservatives, truths they don't like are by definition "liberal."
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=0qTShDVcH5s&feature=related
You conservatives out there don't like this? Frankly, I don't give a damn. As it stands, your buddy is going to win, And it will destroy America.
Up till now, it seemed impossible to imagine a presidency worse than Bush-Cheney. But the Republicans have outdone themselves.
So, what's next, a college dropout as president?
That's right.
Palin dropped out of four or five colleges before graduating, according to some counts.
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From Seoul, the sole of Asia. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:00 am Post subject: |
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| Gatsby wrote: |
John McCain, release you college transcript!
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Shouldn't Obama do this too, then? |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
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John McCain, release you college transcript!
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Shouldn't Obama do this too, then? |
Yes, and whoever gets in, should get them bloody notarized and apostilled every year they are in office or they'll loose the presidency. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| In honesty, I don't care about the grades they got. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:44 am Post subject: |
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I don't know about the rest of you, but whenever the OP bashes McCain, I like him a little more.
But I'm not voting for Obama because I dislike McCain. |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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Some anaylysis from a reporter with that left wing liberal commie pinko atheist pseudo news organization, the Associated Press:
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Analysis: McCain's claims skirt facts, test voters
By CHARLES BABINGTON � 23 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (AP) � The "Straight Talk Express" has detoured into doublespeak.
Republican presidential nominee John McCain, a self-proclaimed tell-it-like-it-is maverick, keeps saying his running mate, Sarah Palin, killed the federally funded Bridge to Nowhere when, in fact, she pulled her support only after the project became a political embarrassment. He accuses Democrat Barack Obama of calling Palin a pig, which did not happen. He says Obama would raise nearly everyone's taxes, when independent groups say 80 percent of families would get tax cuts instead.
Even in a political culture accustomed to truth-stretching, McCain's skirting of facts has stood out this week. It has infuriated and flustered Obama's campaign, and campaign pros are watching to see how much voters disregard news reports noting factual holes in the claims.
McCain's persistence in pushing dubious claims is all the more notable because many political insiders consider him one of the greatest living victims of underhanded campaigning. Locked in a tight race with George W. Bush for the Republican presidential nomination in 2000, McCain was rocked in South Carolina by a whisper campaign claiming he had fathered an illegitimate black child and was mentally unstable.
Shaken by the experience, McCain denounced less-than-truthful campaigning. Vowing to live up to his "straight talk" motto, he apologized for his reluctance to criticize the flying of the Confederate flag at South Carolina's state Capitol in a bid for votes. When the so-called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth attacked the military record of Democrat and fellow Navy officer John Kerry in 2004, McCain called the ads "dishonest and dishonorable."
Now, top aides to McCain include Steve Schmidt, who has close ties to Karl Rove, Bush's premier political adviser in 2000.
Politicians usually modify or drop claims when a string of newspaper and TV news accounts concludes they are untrue or greatly exaggerated. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, for example, conceded she had not come under sniper fire in Bosnia after a batch of debunking articles subjected her to scorn during her primary contest against Obama.
But McCain and his running mate Palin, the Alaska governor, were defiant this week in the face of similar reports. Day after day she said she had told Congress "no thanks" to the so-called Bridge to Nowhere, a rural Alaska project that was abandoned when critics challenged its costs and usefulness. For nearly a week, major news outlets had documented that Palin supported the bridge when running for governor in 2006, noting that she turned against it only after it became an object of ridicule in Alaska and a symbol of Congress's out-of-control earmarking.
The McCain-Palin campaign made at least three other aggressive claims this week that omitted key details or made dubious assumptions to criticize Obama. It equated lawmakers' requests for money for special projects with corruption, even though Palin has sought nearly $200 million in such "earmarks" this year.
It produced an Internet ad implying that Obama had called Palin a pig when he used a familiar phrase, which McCain also has used, about putting "lipstick on a pig" to try to make a bad situation look better. McCain supporters said Obama was slyly alluding to Palin's description of herself as a pit bull in lipstick, but there was nothing in his remarks to support the claim. Obama accused the GOP campaign of "lies and phony outrage."
The lipstick wars were fully engaged when the McCain campaign produced another ad saying Obama favored "comprehensive sex education" for kindergartners. The charge triggered the sort of headlines becoming increasingly common in major newspapers and wire services monitoring the factual content of political ads and speeches.
"Ad on Sex Education Distorts Obama Policy," was the headline on a New York Times article Thursday. "McCain's 'Education' Spot is Dishonest, Deceptive," The Washington Post's "Fact Checker" article said.
Major news outlets have written such fact-checking articles for years. "But in the last two election cycles, the very notion that the facts matter seems to be under assault," said Michael X. Delli Carpini, an authority on political ads at the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg School for Communication. "Candidates and their consultants seem to have learned that as long as you don't back down from your charges or claims, they will stick in the minds of voters regardless of their accuracy or at a minimum, what the truth is will remain murky, a matter of opinion rather than fact."... |
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jMtvzhUJmkDwVPsjJ0vhp-MDl1-gD934RHCG0
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=BR8IhMMhe8w
You can put lipstick on John McCain, but he's still John McCain. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Well - McCain was right about Iran, & the liberals & the anti war (only by the US) movement were wrong.
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