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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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| oh how ironic. the guy with the racial slur for a user name posting on a thread about racism. |
Helluvapoint. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| Which person is using the word "uppity" at this particular moment, and what possible motivation could there be to do so? |
I honestly do not know, as far as his motives go. I can concede this much, Bobster: I personally do not use "uppity" in my speech or writing. Mostly for the reasons that people who object to it have cited here. And also because it sounds far too slangy. And finally because I do not believe that people have "places" in society. So there. Apparently we agree -- except for the PC preachiness, of course. Sometimes I wonder if that might be the only difference between us on many issues, in fact. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:59 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| I personally do not use "uppity" in my speech or writing. |
Who cares about you? Honestly, why do you think you are so interesting? It's not about you. And once you have confessed to your ignorance about the good Mr Westmoreland and your unwillingness to try to see into his heart, why on earth do you think anyone else would give a flying truck about your own small particular life, preferences and opinions?
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| And finally because I do not believe that people have "places" in society. |
But possibly - probably - Mr Westmoreland does. It sounds like we agree about that.
As for the "PC preachiness" perhaps you could instruct me with specific examples of what you are talking about from this thread, and I'll try to shape myself more to your desires ion the future. I don't recall anything I've written here that might fall in the category, myself.
But be sure to send your much-appreciated tutelage to me via pm because I am also not the topic of the discussion here. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:41 am Post subject: |
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Wrong. My unwillingness to foolishly tell everyone here that I know all about this obscure Southern Congressman's motives and intent in employing the word "uppity" does not equate to my ignorance on the affair.
On the other hand, your highly-attuned, PC-hypersensitivity to phrases like "you people," "uppity," and, allegedly, "shrill," reveal you as a complete and utter hypocrite.
You object to the slightest whiff you pick up in Georgia. You broadcast it here, as it cultivates your outrage (which you hope to cultivate in others) re: alleged "racist Republicans." Supposedly this represents the moral high-ground, pure principle. But when, for example, Rteacher, right here in front of you, calls S. Palin "a bitch" and alleges that she only got where she is by "blowing" her superiors, what is your response: SILENCE. Would it have been the same had someone said something similar about your friend "Cindy?" I know you fully understand the gendered implications "shrill" carries with it; you responded immediately when I used it, in jest, against you on another thread. But where were you when H. Reid called S. Palin "shrill and sarcastic?" NOWHERE TO BE SEEN.
Why is that?
High-minded principles, indeed.
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| Who cares about you? |
Clearly you do, and your buddy. You respond to so many of my posts, ask me questions, yes they are rhetorical, baiting questions, but you ask me those questions nonetheless, you bring up every single position I have ever articulated here (because you have either memorized it, or have constructed archived databases -- either way, you clearly care about me), you often expressly state how you feel about me personally.
Sure, Bobby. You do. That is who.
And to prove my point, watch how fast you come back here and respond to me. Now. Come back, do as you are told, and respond to me. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: |
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This thread is done.
*closes the shop door over the thread* |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Obama won the primaries in many states strictly on the black vote. That is racism and don't forget it. |
Whoa there, boy.
If that were true, then the women who supported Clinton but now support McCain would be guilty of sexism, if you follow the line that a person votes for someone of the same race/gender for that reason alone. Then we have the phenomenon of people voting for someone from the same state simply because the candidate is from that state. What would you call that? |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Barak Hussien Obama chose the race card. He's stuck with it. Am I being racist by using his middle name? |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| His middle name is Arab, which isn't a race. And anyways, insinuating that he is a muslim isn't racist. It is incorrect and retarded but not racist. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| "Hussein" has something to do with "good" and is a common name in the Arab Middle East. And this is a nonissue, or at best, the far right's unwise pseudoissue, in this presidential campaign. No more no less. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Obama won the primaries in many states strictly on the black vote. That is racism and don't forget it. |
Whoa there, boy.
If that were true, then the women who supported Clinton but now support McCain would be guilty of sexism, if you follow the line that a person votes for someone of the same race/gender for that reason alone. Then we have the phenomenon of people voting for someone from the same state simply because the candidate is from that state. What would you call that? |
Static electicity?
Anyway, whether there is a name for it or not, voting for someone based on race, gender, or what state they are from is pretty darn stupid. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Who knows? I'm not a mind reader. But it is strange how some people get testy about admitting racism still exists. |
Who has done so? Here is a link to the latest polls:
http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard
You can click on the left to see the polls by race. Right now McCain is leading among causasians 49 to 31 percent. Obama is leading among Blacks 91 to 3 percent. We can all see that race is playing a role in the election.
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Good point. It is racail after all. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| flakfizer wrote: |
| whether there is a name for it or not, voting for someone based on race, gender, or what state they are from is pretty darn stupid. |
Most of the time that would be true, but in America a lot of people's major interests are still very parochial, so if I'm from Montana I might lean toward a candidate who has some knowledge and experience of where I'm from in order that I might hope to see my interests protected slightly better.
Ideally, I suppose, we ought to cast our vote for whomever will best benefit the entire nation, and a lot of us make a stab at that. But in a similar way to the Montana example, women will gravitate toward a female candidate and hope that women's issues get addressed, and black people might vote for a black candidate of either party just in the belief that this candidate has seen and lived some experiences similar to theirs.
That ain't so bad, right?
The topic under discussion here is a little different, though: it's about white people using racially charged words with the possible intended desire of energizing white people to vote AGAINST a candidate because of the color of his skin. Likely, it will have no effect on the outcome, I admit, because people who feel that way about race have already decided to go the other way.
Using hate and fear of people who are different is a very effective political tool, and the GOP has used it before to their benefit. In the Amnerican system they are allowed to do that, I guess, but the question on the table is whether the rest of us will allow them to make it work for them THIS time.
mises
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| And anyways, insinuating that he is a muslim isn't racist. It is incorrect and retarded but not racist. |
It is using hate and especially fear, the insinuation of terrorism (particularly with the smears about "connections" with that Ayers gentleman) to distract the electorate from a reasoned consideration of the issues at stake in the present election.
Obama's been talking about changing thinigs. The Republicans want people to be afraid of the unknown.
Let's hope it doesn't work this time. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:22 am Post subject: |
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The bottom line with your argument Bobster is that its racist if it used against your point and normal of it goes with you point. Your answer was both long and nuanced but it leads to the same result. It also get boring along the way.
The average voter thinks in sound bites and that is the way to deal with him.
Personally I might go along with Obama's changes if: a) I had some idea of what he wants and b) I didn't know most of his ideas are leftist / socialist.
No thank you.
In that sense Obama is uppity. He is using the race card to imrpove his status. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:56 am Post subject: |
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mises
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| And anyways, insinuating that he is a muslim isn't racist. It is incorrect and retarded but not racist. |
It is using hate and especially fear, the insinuation of terrorism (particularly with the smears about "connections" with that Ayers gentleman) to distract the electorate from a reasoned consideration of the issues at stake in the present election.
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Ayers even as late as 2003 defended his actions. He knew Obama then. BO should be more careful in choosing his friends, especially if he has aspirations for high public office. Him being buddies with a communist terrorist that has never offered an apology or ideological conversion is very very very much fair game. It has nothing to do with hate and fear. It is about judgment. And Obama has shown poor judgment. |
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