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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will most likely vote for McCain. But Clinton is a candidate I could and would support. Obama is at the bottom of my list -- but not off my list, either.
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stevemcgarrett



Joined: 24 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to badger you even though I'm a Badger but for the life of me I can't understand why you'd seriously consider Hillary. Her baggage, including, Bill, really weighs her down, don't you think?
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I supported the Clinton Administration from beginning to end and would welcome another one. Hopefully that does not put us in conflict, McGarrett. And, in any case, I want McCain to win the presidency this November. Clinton remains my second choice at the moment.
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stevemcgarrett



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, Gopher, thanks for being frank instead of taking the Leftwing chickensh-it route of obfuscating. I think you'll agree with that much, and also that the only time you can count on a liberal to be frank is when you're having dinner with one and it's time to pay the bill. Then they'll be quick to nominate someone else for that job. Wink

Seriously, though, I'm genuinely surprised you supported the Clintons. I backed Bush, Sr. because I trusted his foreign policy experience and his team of Powell and Baker. I also backed Dole for similar reasons. Bush, Sr. was a real moderate, like McCain, on domestic issues so I'm surprised you went for Bill.

Ah, well, it should at least finally press home the point that I'm not your sock and lay that suspicion to rest once and for all.

Not to belabor the point, but just what did Clinton have to offer that appealed to you back then?
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I admired his energy and commitment to social and economic reform. He also seemed to me -- and here I was not disappointed -- a potentially strong president.

I supported H.W. Bush, too. But in my view, and I was only voting for the first time back then, I felt that Reagan-Bush had had twelve years and it was time for fresh perspectives and approaches. No more no less.
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
I admired his energy and commitment to social and economic reform. He also seemed to me -- and here I was not disappointed -- a potentially strong president.

I supported H.W. Bush, too. But in my view, and I was only voting for the first time back then, I felt that Reagan-Bush had had twelve years and it was time for fresh perspectives and approaches. No more no less.


And I do think he provided that economic reform. Overall I think he was a good president, but could have been better. Like many of us, he was his own worst enemy.

As for your latter comment, that's one reason why Hillary is at the bottom of my list of the 3 remaining candidates: we need a fresh perspective and approach.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty sorry state of affairs when the best way to find threads on this forum is not its search function but rather Google.

In any case, J. McCain appeared on Face the Nation today. Sounds good. I like that he plans to appoint Democrats in his cabinet.

Quote:
Promising a "very bipartisan approach" to how he'll run his administration, Sen. John McCain said in an interview broadcast Sunday that he would appoint Democrats to his Cabinet...


CNN Reports
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

McCain wrote:
I'll also ask people [to serve in my Cabinet] who have struggled out there in the trenches to help people, to volunteer in their communities, who understand these problems at that level


*gasp* You mean . . . community organizers??
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

McCain's history of hot temper raises concerns

WASHINGTON � John McCain made a quick stop at the Capitol one day last spring to sit in on Senate negotiations on the big immigration bill, and John Cornyn was not pleased.

Cornyn, a mild-mannered Texas Republican, saw a loophole in the bill that he thought would allow felons to pursue a path to citizenship.

McCain called Cornyn's claim "chicken-s---," according to people familiar with the meeting, and charged that the Texan was looking for an excuse to scuttle the bill. Cornyn grimly told McCain he had a lot of nerve to suddenly show up and inject himself into the sensitive negotiations.

"F--- you," McCain told Cornyn, in front of about 40 witnesses.

It was another instance of the Republican presidential candidate losing his temper, another instance where, as POW-MIA activist Carol Hrdlicka put it, "It's his way or no way."

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People may criticize this article about McCain, but one thing they can't say is that it is a puff piece. At least he's bipartisan in who he loses his temper with and he may have a potty mouth, but at least he's not hypocritical about it.

All politicians have big egos--it goes with the territory. Many people have hot tempers and some control it better than others. I personally prefer people with power to control their temper better than most. To me, it's a sign of maturity.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20080907/pl_mcclatchy/3035300;_ylt=AmAT8vgI5hnIfmLYpbBcvEJh24cA
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
*gasp* You mean . . . community organizers??


Very Happy Very Happy
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
*gasp* You mean . . . community organizers??


That is correct. But first, we will task Sarah Baraccuda with "orienting" and then explaining "actual responsibility" to them.
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The Bobster



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the CNN article linked to earlier:

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"It's going to be the best people in America, the smartest people in America," McCain said.

But isn't that rather elitist and "uppity" to ignore all the, you know, "regular" people who come in second place in beauty pageants and try to get librarians fired because they don't like some of the books on the shelves ...?

Oh, wait. I think maybe that's what he means by best and smartest ... never mind.

I've also had problems for a while now about the stories I've read about McCain's temper, Ya-ta.
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mises



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bobster wrote:
From the CNN article linked to earlier:

Quote:
"It's going to be the best people in America, the smartest people in America," McCain said.

But isn't that rather elitist and "uppity" to ignore all the, you know, "regular" people who come in second place in beauty pageants and try to get librarians fired because they don't like some of the books on the shelves ...?

Oh, wait. I think maybe that's what he means by best and smartest ... never mind.


Elitist doesn't equal smart. An elitist looks down on the habits of conservatives. Hunting, fishing, breeding, diet, trucks, love of country, etc. Clinging to god and guns, as we're told. It is perfectly possible to be very intelligent and able and not be an elitist, in the eyes of Cons.
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Jandar



Joined: 11 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

McCain moves ahead of Obama in new poll
Republican campaign benefits from convention, choice of VP running mate

AP updated 6:51 a.m. ET Sept. 8, 2008

WASHINGTON - A new poll shows Republican John McCain � riding a
wave of enthusiasm for his vice presidential pick Sarah Palin � pushing
past Barack Obama, wiping away the advantage the first-term Illinois
senator enjoyed coming out of the Democratic National Convention.

Palin, in her first term as Alaska governor and the Republican Party's first-
ever female nominee for vice president, electrified last week's Republican
National Convention with a sarcastic, slashing speech that denigrated
Obama's readiness for the U.S. presidency and energized the deeply
conservative Republican base.

Palin, who opposes abortion even in case of rape or incest, was a virtual
unknown outside Alaska until McCain elevated her to the national stage as
his surprise choice to join him on the Republican ticket 11 days ago.

....

The USA Today-Gallup Poll released Sunday shows he had eclipsed
Obama, by four percentage points, 50 to 46. That suggests at the very
least that McCain has wiped out the seven-point lead Obama posted after
the Democratic convention a week earlier. The latest poll had a margin of
error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26604717

http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx
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mises



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is elitist:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k1PuDTW9T4AmFqL94n

He could, at the very least, comb his hair before lecturing Americans on how to vote.
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