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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Gopher wrote: |
| ...gang rape. |
Bobster's ears must be burning.. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:10 am Post subject: |
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And why not? If oil-drilling represents "raping" the Earth, then why cannot this leftist media feeding-frenzy targeted against S. Palin represent "gang rape?"
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| And you say your candidate represents "change?" |
Well, I'm not American, so Obama can't really be considered "my" candidate. And in any case, I don't think I've ever claimed that he represents real change(whatever that's supposed to mean anyway). Truthfully, I'm not overly taken with the guy's rhetoric, it mostly sounds like pretty standard boilerplate to me. |
Sigh.
I was referring to "you" in the second-person plural. I tried "you people" before, but I am sure you, On the Other Hand, in the second-person singular, recall what that unleashed.
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:11 am Post subject: |
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| For most of us, this represents a colossal waste of time and, of course, the left's politics-as-usual, the attack-and-smear machine, etc. |
Both sides play dirty politics. Remember the 'terrorist fist bump'? The so-called liberal media is hardly the first to politicize the personal situation of politicians. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
| For most of us, this represents a colossal waste of time and, of course, the left's politics-as-usual, the attack-and-smear machine, etc. |
Both sides play dirty politics. Remember the 'terrorist fist bump'? The so-called liberal media is hardly the first to politicize the personal situation of politicians. |
At least you seem to understand that the entire thing is dirty and there are no true principled objections being articulated here, at least for the most part. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:13 am Post subject: |
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| Weak. She can't take tough - even rude - questions from reporters? Will she be able to suck it up when the job demands it? |
As of right now, damned if she does, damned if she doesnt.
Because if she does, she's woefully underprepared and unready to field all the questions, let alone deliver answers consistant with McCain's positions.
Because if she doesn't, she appears weak and she contradicts her tough image.
Here's the thing. I say she gets two weeks. Hell, fifteen days after the convention, and lets give her the Sunday, too. That means by Monday, Sept 20th, she should be able to have her shit together.
Of course, meanwhile Biden will have those two weeks to visit Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia, Ohio, Virginia, Ohio, Indiana, and Ohio again. All by train.  |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:28 am Post subject: |
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Politics is politics. During the last election cycle in Canada the Liberal Party smeared Harper has a closet Nazi who would "put soldiers on Canadian streets".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68toCAiPIjo&eurl
Harper won. And will win again.
I suspect that this is the very nature of the beast. My libertarian roots tell me that in a world where the government touches every inch of our lives, every inch of our lives will become political. The personal is political, and all that.
But McCain isn't an idiot, is he? He should have known that this lady would inspire leftist ire. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:34 am Post subject: |
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As of right now, damned if she does, damned if she doesnt.
Because if she does, she's woefully underprepared and unready to field all the questions, let alone deliver answers consistant with McCain's positions.
Because if she doesn't, she appears weak and she contradicts her tough image.
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Kuros:
I'm not sure what you mean in that second sentence there. Are you saying that if Palin gets into the fray, she will in fact be underprepared and unready? Or are you saying that the media will say she is underprepared and unready?
And if you're saying the latter, then I don't see what the problem would be for Palin. Okay, so the media says she's underprepared etc. Do you think that the public would automatically buy that? If so, then I have to wonder why the Democrats don't win every election, if the public believes everything the liberal media tells them to believe. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:36 am Post subject: |
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http://www.reason.com/blog/show/128651.html
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The most disturbing allegation about Sarah Palin's tenure as mayor of Wasilla -- that Palin tried to oust the local librarian because she wouldn't remove offensive books from the shelves -- is starting to look shaky. The Anchorage Daily News reports:
Palin didn't mention specific books at that meeting, [Palin critic Anne] Kilkenny said.
Palin herself, questioned at the time, called her inquiries rhetorical and simply part of a policy discussion with a department head "about understanding and following administration agendas," according to the Frontiersman article.
Were any books...banned? June Pinell-Stephens, chairwoman of the Alaska Library Association's Intellectual Freedom Committee since 1984, checked her files Wednesday and came up empty-handed.
Palin later asked the librarian to resign, but it's far from clear that this was related to the censorship question, given that Palin asked for other officials' resignation around the same time (and given that the subsequent librarian doesn't seem to have removed any controversial books). I don't think the door is closed on this story -- I hope to see more reporting on it -- but whatever did happen, it's a far cry from the over-the-top accusations that have been circulating online. (One frequently forwarded email lists dozens of books that Palin allegedly tried to take off the shelves. More than one of the volumes were actually published after the event. The list turned out to be cut-and-pasted from a catalog of "Books Banned at One Time in the United States.")
Meanwhile, the claim that Palin supported abstinence-only sex education is looking even shakier. The Los Angeles Times points out that Palin is actually to the left of McCain on this issue:
Palin's running mate, John McCain, and the GOP platform say children should be taught that abstinence until marriage is the only safe way to avoid pregnancy and disease. Palin's position is less clear....
In July of [2006], she completed a candidate questionnaire that asked, would she support funding for abstinence-until-marriage programs instead of "explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?"
Palin wrote, "Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support."
But in August of that year, Palin was asked during a KTOO radio debate if "explicit" programs include those that discuss condoms. Palin said no and called discussions of condoms "relatively benign."
"Explicit means explicit," she said. "No, I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues. So I am not anti-contraception. But, yeah, abstinence is another alternative that should be discussed with kids. I don't have a problem with that. That doesn't scare me, so it's something I would support also."
I'm not sure what she means by "explicit," but I can guess: Social conservatives frequently fear that sex ed will turn into a sexual how-to guide, and I suspect she was referring to that. It's clear, at any rate, that the abstinence-only charge is false. It fits popular prejudices about those scary backwoods Christians, though, so we'll probably keep hearing about it.
The most objectionable thing about Palin doesn't have anything to do with fringy positions on traditional morality. It's her willingness to embrace McCain's militarist foreign-policy views. And those ideas, alas, are entirely within the political mainstream. |
She is seeming more and more reasonable as days go on. But I share Reason's worries that she has McCain's FP views. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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The most disturbing allegation about Sarah Palin's tenure as mayor of Wasilla -- that Palin tried to oust the local librarian because she wouldn't remove offensive books from the shelves -- is starting to look shaky. The Anchorage Daily News reports:
Palin didn't mention specific books at that meeting, [Palin critic Anne] Kilkenny said.
Palin herself, questioned at the time, called her inquiries rhetorical and simply part of a policy discussion with a department head "about understanding and following administration agendas," according to the Frontiersman article.
Were any books...banned? June Pinell-Stephens, chairwoman of the Alaska Library Association's Intellectual Freedom Committee since 1984, checked her files Wednesday and came up empty-handed.
Palin later asked the librarian to resign, but it's far from clear that this was related to the censorship question, given that Palin asked for other officials' resignation around the same time (and given that the subsequent librarian doesn't seem to have removed any controversial books). I don't think the door is closed on this story -- I hope to see more reporting on it -- but whatever did happen, it's a far cry from the over-the-top accusations that have been circulating online. (One frequently forwarded email lists dozens of books that Palin allegedly tried to take off the shelves. More than one of the volumes were actually published after the event. The list turned out to be cut-and-pasted from a catalog of "Books Banned at One Time in the United States.")
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I've never really bought "book-banning" in school libraries as an issue. No writer has an inalienable right to get his book in public schools on the taxpayer's dime. Banning books from a school library is not the same thing as banning them from a private bookstore.
And let's face it. If it were The Bell Curve or Little Black Sambo being pulled from the school libraries, liberals would be applauding. And rightly so. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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As of right now, damned if she does, damned if she doesnt.
Because if she does, she's woefully underprepared and unready to field all the questions, let alone deliver answers consistant with McCain's positions.
Because if she doesn't, she appears weak and she contradicts her tough image.
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Kuros:
I'm not sure what you mean in that second sentence there. Are you saying that if Palin gets into the fray, she will in fact be underprepared and unready? Or . . . |
Yeah, the first one.
Think about it. I mean she's never been on the national stage before nor has she been had to have been held accountable for her views on foreign policy. The amount of preparation these candidates undergo to present their face to the public much less engage in a debate with competitor politicians is obscene. Palin cannot possibly be ready for the media's unrestricted access to her. And it would be unreasonable to suggest she be so, so soon.
But at some point, and I'm suggesting that it'll be later this month, she'll have to be ready. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| He should have known that this lady would inspire leftist ire. |
I don't think it's 'ire' at all. The more accurate adjective would be 'horror'. Olympia Snowe would not have needed Kuros' 2 weeks to prepare to discuss the issues. The woman isn't stupid. She'll be able to do it, but... |
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Gatsby
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Sarah Palin doesn't have a clue about the Constitutional separation of church and state. She doesn't want them separated.
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State paid for trip when Palin told students to pray for pipeline
By RICHARD MAUER
[email protected]
(09/07/08 01:57:1
Gov. Sarah Palin used state funds in June when she traveled from Juneau to Wasilla to speak to graduating evangelical students and urge them to fan out through Alaska "to make sure God's will be done here."
State records show that Palin submitted a travel authorization for a quick round-trip visit to attend the June 8 graduation of the Master's Commission program at the Wasilla Assembly of God, the church where she was baptized at age 12. The only other item on the agenda for that trip was a "One Lord Sunday" service involving a network of Mat-Su Christian churches earlier that morning at the Wasilla sports complex.
The records show Palin flew from Juneau on Saturday, June 7. She returned to Juneau that Monday afternoon. The plane tickets cost the state $519.50, and she claimed an additional $120 for meals and other expenses.
Palin couldn't be reached for comment Friday as she campaigned for vice president. Her spokeswoman at the McCain campaign said she wouldn't grant an interview.
But Palin's spokeswoman in the governor's office, Sharon Leighow, said the state paid for the trip because Palin was invited to the events as the governor, not as a private citizen.
"I know for a fact she gave remarks at the Wasilla Assembly of God as governor of Alaska to the graduates of this particular program," Leighow said.
OFF THE CUFF
In her eight-minute remarks, delivered without notes except when she read a brief passage from the New Testament Book of Ephesians, she melded the issues of governance with a call to bringing Alaskans to God.
"What I need to do is strike a deal with you guys as you go out throughout Alaska -- I can do my part in doing things like working really, really hard to get a natural gas pipeline." Palin said. "Pray about that also. I think God's will has to be done, in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that. But I can do my job there, in developing our natural resources, and doing things like getting the roads paved, making sure our troopers have their cop cars and their uniforms and their guns, and making sure our public schools are funded.
"But really, all of that stuff doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's hearts isn't right with God. And that's going to be your job," she said. "As I'm doing my job, let's strike this deal. Your job is going to be: to be out there, reaching the people, (the) hurting people throughout Alaska, and we can work together to make sure God's will be done here."
The Wasilla Assembly of God said Palin and her family stopped attending regularly in 2002, the year of her unsuccessful run for lieutenant governor. She now attends other nondenominational, evangelical churches in Wasilla and Juneau.
Palin's talk was recorded by the church and posted on its Web site. It has since been removed, but the video has been copied to multiple sites on the Internet as Americans attempt to learn more about her since her surprise pick by John McCain as his running mate Aug. 29.
Palin told the graduates her remarks were off the cuff because she wasn't sure she could attend.
"I flew in from Juneau last night, fly to Juneau again tomorrow, so I didn't prepare anything, thinking that, no, our schedule wouldn't allow me to be here," Palin said.
But Leighow said the graduation was one of two purposes for the trip.
According to a six-minute promotional video by the Wasilla Assembly of God, the master's commission program is a live-in, year-long educational program for young adults. The church's description shows there's nothing secular about it.
"The Master's Commission program is something that's going to take a young person and lead them for the rest of their lives in passionate journey for Jesus," the video says. The instruction is "designed to take students in from around the nation, and through that we're able to shape and mold disciples of the lord Jesus Christ."
The program isn't just inward looking -- the graduates are expected take the message to people around the state.
"We seek him in the morning with worship, with live worship, with intimate worship, to know him face to face," the video says. "The first part in the morning is to know God, and then from that afternoon you go out and make him known."
A FAITH-BASED AUDIENCE
In words similar to Palin's, the video stresses the program's ties to Alaska:
"God has a destiny for the state of Alaska, and we know that master's commission is one of the keys that God is going to use to unlock his glory for that state," a speaker says. |
http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/518522.html
What is this Master's Commission? It is a program that believes Wasilla will be the center of the United States, if not the planet, during the Earth's Last Days, which are around the corner, and it trains, for $8,000, participants to be able to be prophets, to prophecy the future, and to go around converting people, people they assume are all hurting if they are not Christians.
http://www.mcwasillaalaska.com/
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=xJnhRhJW35o
This is just one small slice of her religious views.
http://www.adn.com/626/story/518514.html
What is scary is that Sarah Palin is tied into a national network of evangelical extremist kooks who are quietly working to take over the government.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/4/12289/69937/415/586412
That's why her selection brought in millions of dollars to the McCain camp within hours.
These people are dangerous. They believe they are God's messengers and will not let anything or anyone get in their way. In their mind, they are doing God's will, and God's will is that they have political power. Get in their way and they will destroy you. These people are ruthless and dangerous nuts. |
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gypsyfish
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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... I've never really bought "book-banning" in school libraries as an issue. No writer has an inalienable right to get his book in public schools on the taxpayer's dime. Banning books from a school library is not the same thing as banning them from a private bookstore.
And let's face it. If it were The Bell Curve or Little Black Sambo being pulled from the school libraries, liberals would be applauding. And rightly so. |
You've got this bassackwards. A private business can choose not to stock a book. If the public wants the book, they can buy it somewhere else. (And if enough people are buying it the store can lose money by not stocking it or choose to sell it in their store.)
A library, paid for by the public's money, should have 'offensive' books. They can shelve them in a seperate section, insure children aren't exposed to them, or require parental permission to check them out, but if it's public funded, the books should be available.
This goes for The Adventure of Huckleberry Finn, Nappy Hair, Heather Has Two Mommies, The Satanic Verses, or The Bible. I'm not saying that every library should have every book or magazine published; I'm saying that not to allow a book in a library because someone finds it offensive is just wrong.
Why are Americans so quick to give up rights? |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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Lekker, here's a letter from an Alaskan who knows her politics. It ain't pretty:
Letter About Sarah Palin from Anne Kilkenny
The people on that blog know her. It's quite a checkered past. The corruption there rivals the worst DC has to offer. This 'pick' is not about any kind of change coming they'd make you think. Think business as usual. McCain really is McSame.
Palin is the perfect pick to take over Cheney's Energy Panel, and run the Office of Faith-based Initiatives. Charity so the fed can finish fazing out social programs, and exploiting as many resources as possible before the inevitable new technology takes hold and the Corporacracies re-tool and re-invest to cash in.
R's want four more years of the same policies they've been cheering all along... taking your money to fuel the War Machine.
Rather ironic there's another hurricane heading to the GOM, named Ike. Remember.. Ike warned us about the war machine.
(yes, I talk a lot about war--because it's just not right, especially being the aggressors)
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