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aka Dave
Joined: 02 May 2008
Location: Down by the river
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 Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:10 am Post subject: I'm very, very afraid today |
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McCain is up 10 points over Obama in the latest gallup polls. Worse was (or just as bad), watching Biden on Meet the Press.
The first 7 questions or so went like this:
"Isn't Sarah Palin great?"
"Don't women love Sarah Palin?"
"They love her so much they call her by her first name, Sarah!"
"How will you ever debate Sarah Palin? Isn't it mission impossible?"
And on and on, I wanted to vomit, scream, punch Tom Brokaw in the balls, drink heavily, and toss my monitor out the window.
The old saying "No one ever lost any money underestimating the intelligence of the American people" really applies here.
I mean, will these people EVER learn? Don't they realize that the domestic and international turmoil Republican policies have created? Do they really want to totally destroy the country.
What really bugs me is when polled on the issues, on every one they agree with Obama.
What that tells me either that they're racist (some are) or stupid and treating like a "I like the guy" high school election type thing. After Bush, that is really contemptible, and you think they'd have learned.
I'm not despairing Obama has no chance, he still does. I'm despairing McCain even does have a chance. In a nation of adults he wouldn't. |
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spliff
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:55 am Post subject: |
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Told ya so....  |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:03 am Post subject: |
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America is a very conservative country.
Everyone who blasts McCain for selecting Palin would not have voted for McCain even if he took Joe Liberman. In fact they wouldn't have even praised his choice.
And if you hate Liberman then you must hate Biden because they probably voted the same way 95% of the time.
and if you don't like both of them then you are a either a Jimmy Carter Liberal (or a Ron Paul follower. )
No you can't expect Americans to vote for Jimmy Carter policies. |
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aka Dave
Joined: 02 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:24 am Post subject: |
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I'm a FDR/Kennedy/LBJ (minus Vietnam) liberal. I supported some of Bill Clinton's policies. Carter actually was a moderate/conservative Democrat from Georgia.
Republican conservative policies have been thorougly discredited by history. No one believes (well 25 percent) Bush has been an effective president.
Insanity? Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result... |
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spliff
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:32 am Post subject: |
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| aka Dave wrote: |
I'm a FDR/Kennedy/LBJ (minus Vietnam) liberal. I supported some of Bill Clinton's policies. Carter actually was a moderate/conservative Democrat from Georgia.
Republican conservative policies have been thorougly discredited by history. No one believes (well 25 percent) Bush has been an effective president.
Insanity? Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result... |
Speak for yourself, Muppet. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:33 am Post subject: |
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| aka Dave wrote: |
I'm a FDR/Kennedy/LBJ (minus Vietnam) liberal. I supported some of Bill Clinton's policies. Carter actually was a moderate/conservative Democrat from Georgia.
Republican conservative policies have been thorougly discredited by history. No one believes (well 25 percent) Bush has been an effective president.
Insanity? Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result... |
Carter allowed the Khomeni to come to power. He refused to sell the Shah water cannons , rubber bullets and other riot control stuff.
Greatest strategic loss in the history of the US.
Carter let the Soviets walk all over the US.
By the way I voted for Clinton 2x and Gore once.
One more thing if the Vietnam war was so bad then what is the difference between Korea and Vietnam?
And Reagan helped get rid of the Soviet Union. His military build up and fallling oil prices broke the Soviet system. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:33 am Post subject: |
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| I thought this thread was going to be about that new hadron collider they've got underground on the border between France and Switzerland. They're going to recreate conditions just after the Big Bang in there? There couldn't possibly be anything dangerous about that could there?! |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:49 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Carter allowed the Khomeni to come to power. He refused to sell the Shah water cannons , rubber bullets and other riot control stuff.
Greatest strategic loss in the history of the US. |
Yes: for once, a country was allowed to choose its own destiny, independent of either East or West. How terrible.
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Carter let the Soviets walk all over the US. |
Maybe, but he also, as ex-president, helped prevent a re-outbreak of the Korean War and for that I forgive him a lot.
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| By the way I voted for Clinton 2x and Gore once. |
Are you the legendary swing voter?
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| One more thing if the Vietnam war was so bad then what is the difference between Korea and Vietnam? |
The Korean War was much worse?
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| And Reagan helped get rid of the Soviet Union. His military build up and fallling oil prices broke the Soviet system. |
Thank God there was Gorbachov to play the role of 'Carter' on the Soviet side, or who knows what kind of bloodbath might have ensued. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:26 am Post subject: |
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Dave,
That is one poll and it should be noted that it is likely voters, not registered voters. With registered voters it is actually only 5%. They got a bump out of their convention, expect the next few polls to come put favoring McCain. It will become a tighter race as September rolls on. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:29 am Post subject: |
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aka Dave,
Don't panic yet. You are looking at the wrong numbers. It doesn't make a bit of difference what the poll numbers say; the only numbers that matter are the Electoral College numbers.
Look at Mississippi. Bush won there in 2000 by 16.9% and in '04 by 19.6% but McCain was only leading Obama by 11.7%. Let's say every disgruntled Republican who was holding a grudge against McCain for whatever reason suddenly decided to crawl out from under his rock and tell the pollsters that he was now going to vote for McCain. It wouldn't make any difference. McCain could still only get 6 Electoral votes even if the vote was unanimous.
According to Real Clear Politics, Obama has pulled farther ahead in Minnesota and Iowa (up by 7% and 9% now) and cut McCain's lead in Ohio and Indiana (0.6 % and 4.7%). RCP is still calling it for Obama with 273 electoral votes. |
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Shinnam
Joined: 16 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:47 am Post subject: The Polls aren't statistically significant |
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The poll numbers are being pushed by the candidate's hinch men. All of the Polls putting Obama behind are really small polls and aren't statistically significant. " The poll of 1,022 adults had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 points.USA Today/Gallup poll "
That is way too small a survey and to large a margin of error to be calling it a " big jump" . Especially given that there is no info on how the participants were selected.
And let's face it, as most patriotic moon bats , if my caller ID doesn't tell me who it is, I will not answer it. [/u] |
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agentX
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:32 am Post subject: |
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Gallup is notoriously all over the place. Wait till next week and you might see McCain ahead by 50 points or Obama ahead by 4 points again.
These are the numbers that matter:
The Math Weekly, ending Sept 7th.
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2. Electoral Votes (270 needed to win)
Obama is currently winning 45.2% of the electoral votes outside of the margin of error, compared to McCain�s 30.7%. The number of electoral votes within the margin of error comes to about one-fourth of the total this week. Once we consider Obama�s lead in the swing states (trailing 48.9%-51.1%) and add how well he is doing in the states within the margin of error (momentum), his electoral vote projection arrives at 329, up from 323 last week. |
Phring's numbers are always a little high, so I hold the other 2 on the wigant to a higher standard. |
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Jandar
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:12 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Carter allowed the Khomeni to come to power. He refused to sell the Shah water cannons , rubber bullets and other riot control stuff.
Greatest strategic loss in the history of the US. |
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Yes: for once, a country was allowed to choose its own destiny, independent of either East or West. How terrible. |
in the case of Khomeni yes how terrible. He was more oppressive than the Shah. And a greater killer.
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Carter let the Soviets walk all over the US. |
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Maybe, but he also, as ex-president, helped prevent a re-outbreak of the Korean War and for that I forgive him a lot.
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i have nothing to say there.
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Are you the legendary swing voter? |
maybe.
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| One more thing if the Vietnam war was so bad then what is the difference between Korea and Vietnam? |
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| The Korean War was much worse? |
Why was Vietnam bad and Korean war Ok?
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Thank God there was Gorbachov to play the role of 'Carter' on the Soviet side, or who knows what kind of bloodbath might have ensued. |
I dunno Reagan stood up to Breshnev , Andropov and Cherninko.
At any rate the Soviets were out to destroy the US.
The cold war was justified. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:21 am Post subject: |
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| in the case of Khomeni yes how terrible. He was more oppressive than the Shah. And a greater killer. |
Self determination made America great, though it was not without it's struggles.
Why don't you think other countries don't have the same right to make the mistakes America made? |
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