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Ya-ta Boy
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| voting for someone based on race, gender, or what state they are from is pretty darn stupid |
Nevertheless, it is done all the time. And voting 'for' someone is quite different than voting against someone based on hate.
Take someone like Gloria Steinem. She's dedicated her life to changing the status of women in America. Along comes Hillary Clinton, the first woman to have a legitimate shot at the top spot. I can see Steinem supporting Mrs. Clinton simply on the basis of her being a woman. I fail to see how that would make Steinem a sexist. |
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mises
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| Just to be clear.. A white person who supports McCain because he is white is not a racist then? |
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flakfizer
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:43 am Post subject: |
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Take someone like Gloria Steinem. She's dedicated her life to changing the status of women in America. Along comes Hillary Clinton, the first woman to have a legitimate shot at the top spot. I can see Steinem supporting Mrs. Clinton simply on the basis of her being a woman. I fail to see how that would make Steinem a sexist. |
Really? Sounds sexist to me. I can see her voting for Clinton because she agrees with Clinton's policies regarding women's rights. Would she vote for Palin simply because she's a woman even though she's very pro-life? I'll give Steinem more credeit than to think she would simply vote for the woman regardless of the candidates' policies. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| Just to be clear.. A white person who supports McCain because he is white is not a racist then? |
I would go out on a limb and say a white person who supports McCain because Obama is black is a racist. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:05 am Post subject: |
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| I'll give Steinem more credeit than to think she would simply vote for the woman regardless of the candidates' policies. |
You're reading more into it than I put. I wouldn't entirely discount issues, but I can see them being of secondary importance to a woman. I think you'd have to consider which issues and just how much disagreement there was. There are issues that are deal breakers for everyone.
I see both of you ignored my comment that there is a difference between voting for someone and against someone else. Does rooting for the home team necessarily mean you hate the opponent? Particularly when the home team has their first chance in history to win?
I'm sure you noticed last winter during the early primaries that the black vote was split with Clinton, then began shifting when Obama began to look like he had a chance.
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mises
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| Just to be clear.. A white person who supports McCain because he is white is not a racist then? |
I would go out on a limb and say a white person who supports McCain because Obama is black is a racist. |
Yeah, but that wasn't my question. I agree with your answer, if it answered my question. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| It seems to me that one is voting to achieve the final change in an historically unbalanced system while the other would be voting to maintain that last scrap of privilege. Seems very different to me. |
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mises
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| Then the word you should be using isn't "racist". Too many conditions. Racism is the belief that one group is inherently inferior to another. Should not misuse such a strong word. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:01 am Post subject: |
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| It seems to me that... |
You have gone beyond politics and actually demonized the other side, reducing them to voting against the black candidate because they are racist and voting for "privilege" for unstated reasons. Another reason I cannot and will not stand with your side. I guess it is true as some suggest that deep polarization and civil-war-like conditions are emerging. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| and civil-war-like conditions are emerging. |
Interesting. At a time when I perceive the country moving away from the extremism of recent years you see it as emerging. Hmmm. |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Obama's wife is beyond uppity -- she's veering dangerously close to Omarosity. |
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