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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| in the case of Khomeni yes how terrible. He was more oppressive than the Shah. And a greater killer. |
Self determination made America great, though it was not without it's struggles.
Why don't you think other countries don't have the same right to make the mistakes America made? |
Well I guess so but that doesn't include a right to conduct a war on the US.
More or less the people of Afghanistan choose the Taliban. Good or bad?
Any Khomeni was worse than the Shah so the US and also the world would be a better place if Khomeni was assassinated or kidnapped and throw in secret prison never to be heard from again. |
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mises
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| Oh don't be scared. Even if Obama does not win the Dems will control the legislative branch. I suppose the fight will be over the judiciary. Maybe some Americans can confirm, but I believe that supreme court picks have to be cleared by the house/senate. No? |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:05 am Post subject: |
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| Republican conservative policies have been thorougly discredited by history. |
Yet they get elected about half the time.
Why should it surprise you if it happens again this time? |
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Khenan
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| Oh don't be scared. Even if Obama does not win the Dems will control the legislative branch. I suppose the fight will be over the judiciary. Maybe some Americans can confirm, but I believe that supreme court picks have to be cleared by the house/senate. No? |
Yes - and you know more about this than most Americans.  |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:29 am Post subject: |
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| I cheated via wikipedia. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: I'm very, very afraid today |
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I mean, will these people EVER learn? |
You, sir, are bobsterbaiting. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: Re: I'm very, very afraid today |
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I mean, will these people EVER learn? |
You, sir, are bobsterbaiting. |
To quote Buckminster Fuller, I seem to be a verb ...
Ya-ta Boy
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Don't panic yet. You are looking at the wrong numbers. It doesn't make a bit of difference what the poll numbers say; the only numbers that matter are the Electoral College numbers. |
Thanks. I admit to some anxiety, but what really makes me concerned? I don't want B.Obama to win the way Bush2 won in 2000, without a clear majority of the population behind him.
It's still early. I think when the Troopergate Report comes out people might start thinking, "Hmm, if D.Cheney got off cornish-free for revealing a CIA agent's identity (a whole LOT of us are convinced of it) then what's this fine lady likely to do ...?"
The debates are what will McCain. Take that to the bank. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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I find it vastly amusing that those quivering in fear of the win by McCain / Palin ticket over Obama and Ol' Joe Biden are generally not Americans. They fail to realize several things:
Obama is a black who has the Democratic nomination, but he is not the new Messiah and cannot walk on water. His nomination alone, without his winning, shows the racial divide is improving.
American care more about religion than do Canadians and Europeans.
America is, as Joo pointed out, a very conservative country. That is the way many / most of them like it. It is their country.
JFK was a lousy President, Carter was a total disaster, and JBJ warned the civil rights movement that the south would be lost to the Democrats. In my opinion LBJ was right about Viet Nam.
The opinion of wet behind the ears liberal arts majors means less than nothing.
Clinton might have been a dood Democratic President if he had kept his dick in his drawers.
Gore the bore, says it all.
When McCain is elected it will give him two USSC appointments in his first term. He can then turn the court further towards strict constructionism.
Obama is soft on Israel. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:51 am Post subject: |
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McCain votes with Bush 90% of the time , that would be expected since he is a conservative. (or sort of)
However :
The other side of the coln is that Mr. Obama probably voted liberal 90% (or more) of the time. |
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johnriley007
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| That is one poll and it should be noted that it is likely voters, not registered voters. With registered voters it is actually only 5%. They got a bump out of their convention, expect the next few polls to come put favoring McCain. It will become a tighter race as September rolls on. |
Also, polls are meaningless, see e.g., the USA Today Poll that had Obama beating Hillary by 13% the day before the New Hampshire primary. National polls carry even less weight as the election will again (unfortunately) be decided by a handful of states.
That being said, I am glad that this "setback" has happened to Obama now. He needs to learn how to fight back. He's letting McCain and Co. dominate the news cycle right now and Obama needs to get his hands dirty. He needs to attack McCain and Palin, attack them hard, attack them ruthlessly, and attack them continuously. Enough with the "John McCain is a great patriot" and Sara Palin is a "skillful politicion" horseshit. I think that the Obama campaign does seem to project a sense of entitlement with respect to his winning the presidency: he is not entitled to the presidency simply because George W. Bush has been an awful president.
Obama's ability to be objective and analytical would no doubt be useful assets for any president. However, important as these skills are, they are not sufficient for completing the job at hand: winning the election. In short, he needs to show more passion, more fight than he is right now. He needs to be more like an aggressive trial lawyer and less like the ivory tower law school professor. He needs to prove to the American people that he is willing to fight and do whatever is necessary to win this election. Why else should they trust to fight for them once he is in office? Anyone who thought that Obama could "coast" to victory as he did in the primary is seriously delusional. This is a totally different ballgame and the Obama campaign needs to right the ship before it's too late. |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| That is one poll and it should be noted that it is likely voters, not registered voters. With registered voters it is actually only 5%. They got a bump out of their convention, expect the next few polls to come put favoring McCain. It will become a tighter race as September rolls on. |
Also, polls are meaningless, see e.g., the USA Today Poll that had Obama beating Hillary by 13% the day before the New Hampshire primary. National polls carry even less weight as the election will again (unfortunately) be decided by a handful of states.
That being said, I am glad that this "setback" has happened to Obama now. He needs to learn how to fight back. He's letting McCain and Co. dominate the news cycle right now and Obama needs to get his hands dirty. He needs to attack McCain and Palin, attack them hard, attack them ruthlessly, and attack them continuously. Enough with the "John McCain is a great patriot" and Sara Palin is a "skillful politicion" horseshit. I think that the Obama campaign does seem to project a sense of entitlement with respect to his winning the presidency: he is not entitled to the presidency simply because George W. Bush has been an awful president.
Obama's ability to be objective and analytical would no doubt be useful assets for any president. However, important as these skills are, they are not sufficient for completing the job at hand: winning the election. In short, he needs to show more passion, more fight than he is right now. He needs to be more like an aggressive trial lawyer and less like the ivory tower law school professor. He needs to prove to the American people that he is willing to fight and do whatever is necessary to win this election. Why else should they trust to fight for them once he is in office? Anyone who thought that Obama could "coast" to victory as he did in the primary is seriously delusional. This is a totally different ballgame and the Obama campaign needs to right the ship before it's too late. |
It's not "horseshit" it's the truth...the Dali Bamma is wet behind the ears. Give it about a month or so and the Obama will be down 30%...Hell, Hillery would have been stiffer competition....  |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
The other side of the coln is that Mr. Obama probably voted liberal 90% (or more) of the time. |
He scored highest on liberalism of all the candidates in the primaries. And he won the nomination. Shows America is tired of conservative "me first, and you never if I have any say about it" heartlessness - Katrina showed the country what leads to. People are ready to understand that we succeed or fail together, and that libewralism isn't just about taxes and the govt spending your money, but rather about people helping each out so that everyone is better off.
Obama is a liberal. He's never denied it. And that's the good news. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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Obama is not a liberal, he is more. He's a socialist and collectivist, either of which are totally inimical to indvidual rights and freedoms.
Socialism is a rather nasty disease, defined in the dictionary and found between shit and syphillus.
The US Declaration of Independance speaks of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Notice, that you have the right to pursue happiness NOT the guarantee of it. |
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johnriley007
Joined: 25 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| It's not "horseshit" it's the truth... |
Was referring to Obama's/Biden's constant deference to it in their public appearances.
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| Hell, Hillery would have been stiffer competition.... |
Don't disagree with that. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
The other side of the coln is that Mr. Obama probably voted liberal 90% (or more) of the time. |
He scored highest on liberalism of all the candidates in the primaries. And he won the nomination. Shows America is tired of conservative "me first, and you never if I have any say about it" heartlessness - Katrina showed the country what leads to. People are ready to understand that we succeed or fail together, and that libewralism isn't just about taxes and the govt spending your money, but rather about people helping each out so that everyone is better off.
Obama is a liberal. He's never denied it. And that's the good news. |
Liberal is ok but not on national security.
I don't think Katrina had anything to do w/ conservative or liberal |
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