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khyber
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 Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:55 pm Post subject: Again Greens are off the TV debates. |
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Green party Leader Elizabeth May excluded from TV debates
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/080908/national/fedelxn_debate_greens
No big surprise.... except for these two tidbits:
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| "However, three parties opposed its inclusion and it became clear that if the Green party were included, there would be no leaders' debates. |
Little babies.
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Liberal Leader Stephane Dion has said he would welcome the chance to debate May on television.
But Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Monday that letting May into the debate would be in essence allowing a second Liberal candidate to participate.
He said it would be fundamentally unfair to have two candidates who are essentially running on the same platform in the debate. |
The big question for me is whether Stephen Harper is playing on Mass Canadian ignorance of Green platforms or ACTUALLY believes what he says. |
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Zutronius
Joined: 16 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| They are a political party and should have the same opportunity as the other parties do. |
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Jandar
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Zutronius wrote: |
| They are a political party and should have the same opportunity as the other parties do. |
...and if I started a blue party tomorrow I should get in the debate too? |
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Zutronius
Joined: 16 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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If your Blue Party received enough votes to show that it had a large number of people backing it, then yes your party should.
Election # of candidates nominated # of seats won # of total votes % of popular vote
1984 60 0 26 921 0.21%
1988 68 0 47 228 0.36%
1993 79 0 32 979 0.24%
1997 79 0 55 583 0.43%
2000 111 0 104 402 0.81%
2004 308 0 582 247 4.32%
2006 308 0 665 940 4.48%
I couldn't find stats for the 2007 elections. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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3 of the 4 major parties asked for the Greens to not be included. Including the Cons, but we don't know who else. I'd suspect the NDP and Libs. Why would the Bloc care?
The debates are already cramps and it is hard to get a feeling of 4 leaders as it is. Adding a 5th would make it more difficult. However, I appreciate the new ideas of the Greens and would like to see them included. |
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enns
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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The criteria has always been to win a seat in the house of commons. The Greens have yet to do this. Our parliamentary system has always been based on seats, vote totals mean nothing by convention or practice.
May has endorsed Dion for Prime Minister. There should not be two candidates who both support the same person. The Cons could start a couple splinter parties, send some of their candidates there and have several pro-Harper candidates in the debate.
Personally, I think allowing the Greens in would help the Tories by further splitting the left-wing vote. But I can see why it is absurd to have two pro-Dion candidates working together in the only leaders debate we have. |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Thank God... lousy, do-gooder, hippie-beatnicks. What a waste of time they are. This coming from a guy who could almost vote for the other lousy, do-gooder, hippie beatnicks: the NDP.
Mises: The Libs would have allowed them. The others didn't. So says the Toronto Star, anyway. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| That's interesting.. Why would the PQ care? What is their interest? |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| But I can see why it is absurd to have two pro-Dion candidates working together in the only leaders debate we have. |
Well to be fair, the Reform party of yesteryear was in virtually the same position with the Cons.
Frankly, I think Green candidates would hurt the NDPs the most so that's no surprise. AS for the PQ, they're prolly just a bunch of sour pusses anyways. |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Jandar wrote: |
| I don't even know what street Canada is on. |
Are you getting frustrated that no one cares about your lame trolling on all these Canadian election threads.
Trolls=sad
Trolls who don't get noticed= wow. |
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joshuahirtle27
Joined: 23 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
3 of the 4 major parties asked for the Greens to not be included. Including the Cons, but we don't know who else. I'd suspect the NDP and Libs. Why would the Bloc care?
The debates are already cramps and it is hard to get a feeling of 4 leaders as it is. Adding a 5th would make it more difficult. However, I appreciate the new ideas of the Greens and would like to see them included. |
Harper was actually the only one to say that he would not participate in the debate if she was a part of it. the NDP and the Bloc said that they were not sure it was wise to have her debate as she has stated she supports the Lib but never said that they would not participate.
There are 4 top parties in Canada(all of Canada) and that is Conservatives, Liberals, NDP's, and the Green Party so they should have been part of the debate. The Bloc can only get votes in Que. so they should not have really a vote in whether or not she attends as he cannot even garner votes anywhere else. |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:02 am Post subject: |
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| And how many ridings are the Green party competing in again? |
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joshuahirtle27
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:08 am Post subject: |
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| Only about 300ish... Not very many. |
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enns
Joined: 02 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:20 am Post subject: |
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| Harper was actually the only one to say that he would not participate in the debate if she was a part of it |
He's been saying the opposite publicly, cite your source. My guess is all three said they wouldn't debate her, which would leave her and Dion to "debate". |
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Jandar
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Newbie wrote: |
| Jandar wrote: |
| I don't even know what street Canada is on. |
Are you getting frustrated that no one cares about your lame trolling on all these Canadian election threads.
Trolls=sad
Trolls who don't get noticed= wow. |
I appreciate your attention. |
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