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Katchafire



Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Location: Non curo. Si metrum non habet, non est poema

PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:53 pm    Post subject: Discipline - it is? Reply with quote

Just now, from out of my 2nd floor classroom, I witnessed a male teacher 'disciplining' a child .. in a manner that seems to be his 'preferred method' (as I've seem him do this several times now).

T has the student stand before him, hands behind back. T proceeds to swing the bottom of the palm of his hand into the boys genitals - wih force enough to have the child crumple onto the ground in tears.

The use of various forms of physical punnishment does, yes, vary from country to country, culture to culture ... but thwacking a child in the genitals? I think not.

Seeing it - and some of the other types of discipline can at times, make me feel really uncomfortable - One of only a few things I just won't get used to here in Sparklingville.

Cheers. I needed to shake my head somewhere in public.

(( Come to think of it - a teacher that so much as SNEEZED in the direction of any child of mines genitals ... would find themselves in Smackdown-RoK. ))

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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't seen that one yet, but I'm with you. Touch my kids dong-dong for any reason at all, and I'll happily do the time.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just started my fourth year in K-land and I've never seen a teacher do that. I've seen EVERYTHING else - from open handed slaps to full-on, closed-fist punches and beatings with sticks, canes etc. that draw blood.

I've always accepted what was happening (even if I felt it was a little harsh). However, I think smacking a kid in the genitals is definitely 'over the line'.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yikes. That is way over the line even by Korean standards.

But thanks for making my co-worker who caned her whole class yesterday seem like such a (relatively) lovely lady.
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bogey666



Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone

PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
Yikes. That is way over the line even by Korean standards.

But thanks for making my co-worker who caned her whole class yesterday seem like such a (relatively) lovely lady.


that's over the line.

but everything else they do here would have been FULLY encouraged and supported by my parents (to be done to me)..

and in fact it was..

my favorite is when they get on a chair and the teacher whacks them on the bottom of their feet with a stick.

always done in teacher's office.. usually inbetwee or after class.

the other punishments, strike me as fairly minor.. and in fact need to be brought back into the North American school system.

if little Johnny wasn't raised a spoiled brat and if he got whacked at home as a whiny little child, he wouldn't have been become the uncooperative THUG he is now.
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mountainous



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="bogey666"]
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
my favorite is when they get on a chair and the teacher whacks them on the bottom of their feet with a stick.


This form of discipline was used at ECC Kumho on the younger ones....the Korean management used this as a channel to vent anger and frustration.
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bogey666



Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone

PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="mountainous"]
bogey666 wrote:
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
my favorite is when they get on a chair and the teacher whacks them on the bottom of their feet with a stick.


This form of discipline was used at ECC Kumho on the younger ones....the Korean management used this as a channel to vent anger and frustration.


this is done with highschool kids.. and only one teacher I know/see doing it.

I wouldn't do that either, personally.

In fact, I actually much prefer my approach (though this depends on the case/kid)

some kid cut 6 mice off the keyboards in our media center. That's not smartassed, mischevious behavior.. I can actually appreciate such stuff.

THAT was all out thuggery. I would have whipped the miscreant's ass RAW had I found out who that was.

for typical crap, like talking, sleeping and other things most teachers have to deal with in class, I prefer throwing shit at them (like an eraser.. though I am getting soft mini basketballs for this purpose.. I can't wait to nail one right in the head) , I have my squeaky air hammer and my watergun.

What's amusing is the kids turn into big snitches, wanting to see someone get whacked with hammer, or best of all, getting shot with a watergun so they can laugh at the miscreant.
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Easter Clark



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the more "princessy" troublemakers in one of my classes wouldn't shut up after repeated looks and warnings, so I threw my workbook at her. After the initial deer-in-the-headlights look of "I can't believe you did that to me!" the tears started flowing. I thought it was interesting that she waited for the class to get on with their pair work before she really started going to town...guess she didn't want to embarrass herself.

Thing is, she cried and bawled for half an hour or more. I'm sure after ten minutes she forgot what she was even crying about. Anyway, at the end of class, I asked her if she wanted to be an actress when she graduates, because she's such a drama queen. In hindsight I should've made her come to the front of the class after the bell to receive her "Oscar." Oh well, maybe next time!

But yeah, usually I just throw chalk to get their attention. I just don't like being ignored.
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jay-shi



Joined: 09 May 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="mountainous"]
bogey666 wrote:
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
my favorite is when they get on a chair and the teacher whacks them on the bottom of their feet with a stick.


This form of discipline was used at ECC Kumho on the younger ones....the Korean management used this as a channel to vent anger and frustration.


Holy misquote Batman!
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easter Clark wrote:
One of the more "princessy" troublemakers in one of my classes wouldn't shut up after repeated looks and warnings, so I threw my workbook at her. After the initial deer-in-the-headlights look of "I can't believe you did that to me!" the tears started flowing. I thought it was interesting that she waited for the class to get on with their pair work before she really started going to town...guess she didn't want to embarrass herself.

Thing is, she cried and bawled for half an hour or more. I'm sure after ten minutes she forgot what she was even crying about. Anyway, at the end of class, I asked her if she wanted to be an actress when she graduates, because she's such a drama queen. In hindsight I should've made her come to the front of the class after the bell to receive her "Oscar." Oh well, maybe next time!

But yeah, usually I just throw chalk to get their attention. I just don't like being ignored.


I really don't like the idea of throwing stuff at students, especially since throwing things around the room is a no-no in my class. Yesterday I had a little 'princessy' troublemaker who couldn't STFU once I made it clear she couldn't just put her head down and go to sleep. After getting kicked out she got to spend 15 minutes after class writing out 'I will pay attention and not be disruptive in class'. I made her promise she'd be better next time (I'll give that 50/50 odds) and at least left on a positive note.

In the case of your student yesterday - and I can't say I blame you; I sure know the type - you were probably the straw that broke the camel's back. It's quite possible she was suffering from sleep deprevation and may have felt awful about personal problems she was repressing until someone getting really angry at her made her snap. When they're at school all the bloody time they don't really have anywhere they can get away to when they need a good cry.

...or she may just be an obnoxious princess who needs to be told to stop crying unless she wants something to cry about, who knows.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="jay-shi"]
mountainous wrote:
bogey666 wrote:
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
my favorite is when they get on a chair and the teacher whacks them on the bottom of their feet with a stick.


This form of discipline was used at ECC Kumho on the younger ones....the Korean management used this as a channel to vent anger and frustration.


Holy misquote Batman!


Indeed - my favourite is when they make them crap-walk around the school in a line.
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"some kid cut 6 mice off the keyboards in our media center. That's not smartassed, mischevious behavior.. I can actually appreciate such stuff."

Huh?
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

poet13 wrote:
"some kid cut 6 mice off the keyboards in our media center. That's not smartassed, mischevious behavior.. I can actually appreciate such stuff."

Huh?


You know, that thing on your desk molded like a girls beep.
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, I thought he meant that some kid actually mutilated 6 live mice. I would beat someones ass for that, but not for vandalising school property. His dad would do that when he got the bill.
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blackjack



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If kids won't stop talking I take their chair away and make them sit on the floor. I tell the class that that is where babies sit. It used to happen three or foor times a class, only happens once a week at most now.
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