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KAMAKAZI



Joined: 14 Mar 2008
Location: Jamshil

PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:43 pm    Post subject: Owing money if you in another country Reply with quote

For some reason this popped into my head. This is not about me, just a general question.
What if you owed money say on a Korean credit card or a loan at a Korean bank, then went back home and never returned?? i dont have either a credit card or loan, but assuming the owed amounts were under 10,000,000 won, what would happen?
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well,

1. Nothing would happen to you unless you came into Korea.


BUT

2. You would be a classic example of why Koreans are so anal when it comes to giving Foreigners loans, credit, etc...

3. The newspapers would use you as an example representing ALL foreigners in Korea.
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livinginkunsan



Joined: 02 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. you would NEVER get a loan from a Korean bank.

2. I think that having unpaid visa bills in one country would still effect you anywhere.
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KAMAKAZI



Joined: 14 Mar 2008
Location: Jamshil

PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

livinginkunsan wrote:
1. you would NEVER get a loan from a Korean bank.

2. I think that having unpaid visa bills in one country would still effect you anywhere.


Mmmm., yeah I wonder about #2. If you have a Visa and Visa is worldwide, wouldnt they be able to track you down back home?

Also, what amount would make it REALLY serious for them to come looking? Im sure if someone owed 30,000,000 won, they wouldnt just
ignore it
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Typhoon



Joined: 29 May 2007
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My father in-law loaned a guy about $200 000 through a bank, maybe he was a co-signer on the loan (stupid thing to do). The guy took off with the money to the Phillipines and stopped making payments and cutoff all contacts. The police said there was nothing that could be done until he came back into the country. He came back into the country to try and sell some buildings he owned (I don't know why they couldn't have a leins put on them before), my father in-law called the police and they still didn't arrest him or do anything. My FIL got a lawyer and I think finally an injuction was made so the guy couldn't sell any property before my FIL was paid back, plus a big % for interest and loss money for future potential investments. This happened about a year ago. Since the injunction the guy has disappeared again and he still owns the building and I am guessing is getting income from the rent. So I think it is pretty easy for debtors to get away from paying off their debts here based on this experience.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Owing money if you in another country Reply with quote

KAMAKAZI wrote:
For some reason this popped into my head. This is not about me, just a general question.
What if you owed money say on a Korean credit card or a loan at a Korean bank, then went back home and never returned?? i dont have either a credit card or loan, but assuming the owed amounts were under 10,000,000 won, what would happen?


Unless it is some insane amount, most debt is just written off. They will jsut flag you at immigration, and when you step off the plane in Korea, they will ge tyou.


Now, if you did this in Korea, then in Europe, then Japan, US, etc... Then Interpol would track your ass down and get you.

If you rip off a single country with just a few thousand dollars, nothing is going to happen. Make it a few hundred thousand, nothing. A few million and you will get someone's attention fast.
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orosee



Joined: 07 Mar 2008
Location: Hannam-dong, Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
Well,

1. Nothing would happen to you unless you came into Korea.


BUT

2. You would be a classic example of why Koreans are so anal when it comes to giving Foreigners loans, credit, etc...

3. The newspapers would use you as an example representing ALL foreigners in Korea.


I was going through the same mental exercise and came to the exact same conclusion (2). Oh and also

4. Fraud is bad.

But I'd say someone who doesn't care about credit card fraud wouldn't care about the situation of foreigners in Korea very much.
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D.D.



Joined: 29 May 2008

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:42 am    Post subject: nothing Reply with quote

Nothings happens. Each country has a different credit system that is not linked to immigrations computer. Banks give out so much money these days and expect a certain amount of to be written off.

It does screw up the chances of other expats getting cards, but only if lots of people do it.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could easily open up a credit card in the US with a credit line of less than $10,000 dollars, max it out, report it as fraud/stolen, and get away with it without any investigation.

Now, if you do it 2 or 3 times, then there will be red flags. But if you do it once, the credit card companies won't bat an eye.

However, the retailers will probably go after you.
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Socks



Joined: 15 May 2008
Location: somewhere in here...

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:18 am    Post subject: Re: Owing money if you in another country Reply with quote

KAMAKAZI wrote:
For some reason this popped into my head. This is not about me, just a general question.
What if you owed money say on a Korean credit card or a loan at a Korean bank, then went back home and never returned?? i dont have either a credit card or loan, but assuming the owed amounts were under 10,000,000 won, what would happen?


You are a teacher -

you managed to get a "Samsung VISA card" with a credit limit of 5 million won..

You are planning on leaving Korea soon..

You want to spend the whole 5 mil won (send 2 million back to your bank account and the other 3 million spend it on your airfare tickets and arranging other things when you arrive back in your homecountry)


You figure - "Hey! I plan on never returning to Korea - so I will never have to pay the money back - and they will never get it back from me"


(1) VISA is a global company - whenever you apply for a "personal" or "Home-loan" in your homecountry - it will show up on your records as unpaid + INTEREST + BAD CREDIT RECORD

(2) You will never be approved loans in which VISA is involved

(3) You will never be able to return to Korea


Is it worth it?
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KAMAKAZI



Joined: 14 Mar 2008
Location: Jamshil

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:13 am    Post subject: Re: Owing money if you in another country Reply with quote

Socks wrote:
KAMAKAZI wrote:
For some reason this popped into my head. This is not about me, just a general question.
What if you owed money say on a Korean credit card or a loan at a Korean bank, then went back home and never returned?? i dont have either a credit card or loan, but assuming the owed amounts were under 10,000,000 won, what would happen?


You are a teacher -

you managed to get a "Samsung VISA card" with a credit limit of 5 million won..

You are planning on leaving Korea soon..

You want to spend the whole 5 mil won (send 2 million back to your bank account and the other 3 million spend it on your airfare tickets and arranging other things when you arrive back in your homecountry)


You figure - "Hey! I plan on never returning to Korea - so I will never have to pay the money back - and they will never get it back from me"


(1) VISA is a global company - whenever you apply for a "personal" or "Home-loan" in your homecountry - it will show up on your records as unpaid + INTEREST + BAD CREDIT RECORD

(2) You will never be approved loans in which VISA is involved

(3) You will never be able to return to Korea


Is it worth it?


Hey buddy, for someone who thinks they knows me, you arent TOO SMART!

Am I a teacher? NO. I work for a company

If you read above, I DONT have a Korean Visa card nor do I need one

I dont plan on leaving Korea for good. Im married to a Korean. So I would be coming and going to Korea from time to time.
Can your brain understand that?

Man, youre so wrong in every area that you actually do look kinda dumb and stupid! Pathetic really. Laughing

P.S. - DONT BE A DETECTIVE!
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orosee



Joined: 07 Mar 2008
Location: Hannam-dong, Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ummm, I think the "you" there is a rhetorical construct and not addressed to "you" as a person. More like "you, the hypthetical person considering card fraud". Or maybe not, who knows.
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orosee



Joined: 07 Mar 2008
Location: Hannam-dong, Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

orosee wrote:
Ummm, I think the "you" there is a rhetorical construct and not addressed to "you" as a person. More like "you, the hypothetical person considering card fraud". Or maybe not, who knows.
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patongpanda



Joined: 06 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Important point -

borrowing money and not paying it back is not fraud and not illegal.
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huck



Joined: 19 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm..I don't think you would get flagged at immigration for the amounts you're talking about.

What about Americans who owe debt collectors $20,000? They don't get stopped when they're re-entering the USA.
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