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riverboy



Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes I'm prime canadian bacon. It can get frustrating over here, but I really think the women and the food compensate for the greasy little buggers who we usually work for.
I did luck out and am treated more like Kimchee, where I have a variety spices and am allowed to ferment untill I am ready to be comsumed
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kiwiboy_nz_99



Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...

PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You forgot about the part where they hired you (tender meat victim that you are) even though you were fresh out of college with little to no experience...

Not even though you were fresh out of college, but because you were fresh out college. That way you look better for the mums, and you don't know jack, so you are easier to manipulate and rip off.
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The part about providing you a decent place to live free of charge was forgotten as well...

How about the part where they paid for your airfare here and back...

Hmmm could they be doing this because they are genuinely lovely wonderful generous people who love to give? Or could it be that no one would come if they didn't offer these thing? Hmmmm I wonder ...
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Also, you forgot about the part of how they make you work an extremely torturous 30 WHOLE HOURS A WEEK!!!...

Yeah, teaching is just like an office job where you are left alone to work at a pc. There's no extra stress in having to be speaking all day, and dealing with young energetic children, and the language barrier doesn't have any effect either. Yeah, and prep time doesn't count as real work, nah, that's just fun and games.

What do you know about real teaching in a high school back home? I was a teacher, and no high school teacher does more than 30 class room hours, in fact that is very high.
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I'm a hot dog... oddly tasty, yet you don't really know what you're getting... plus I usually have ketchup on me.
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kiwiboy_nz_99



Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...

PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm chopped liver
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wylde



Joined: 14 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="kiwiboy_nz_99"]
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Yeah, and prep time doesn't count as real work, nah, that's just fun and games.

What do you know about real teaching in a high school back home? I was a teacher, and no high school teacher does more than 30 class room hours, in fact that is very high.


but tell us total hours please kiwi? i know my classroom hours are around 19 a week but correcting 750 diaries takes a whack longer than that
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kiwiboy_nz_99



Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...

PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real hours teaching at high school back home?

A lot, probably about 45 to 50 ... I was new and so didn't have a lot of resourse that you gather over time as you refine your lessons. The older teachers didn't do that much.
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simulated stereo



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: municipal flat block 18-A Linear North

PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mmmmmm. Organ meats.
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adventureman



Joined: 18 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote:
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You forgot about the part where they hired you (tender meat victim that you are) even though you were fresh out of college with little to no experience...

Not even though you were fresh out of college, but because you were fresh out college. That way you look better for the mums, and you don't know jack, so you are easier to manipulate and rip off.
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The part about providing you a decent place to live free of charge was forgotten as well...

How about the part where they paid for your airfare here and back...

Hmmm could they be doing this because they are genuinely lovely wonderful generous people who love to give? Or could it be that no one would come if they didn't offer these thing? Hmmmm I wonder ...
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Also, you forgot about the part of how they make you work an extremely torturous 30 WHOLE HOURS A WEEK!!!...

Yeah, teaching is just like an office job where you are left alone to work at a pc. There's no extra stress in having to be speaking all day, and dealing with young energetic children, and the language barrier doesn't have any effect either. Yeah, and prep time doesn't count as real work, nah, that's just fun and games.

What do you know about real teaching in a high school back home? I was a teacher, and no high school teacher does more than 30 class room hours, in fact that is very high.


On top of all that there is also the overall challenges that present themselves from living in a very nationalistic foreign country and dealing with culture shock, consistantly being treated as an outsider, etc to deal with as well...I also agree that IF YOU TAKE YOUR TEACHING VERY SERIOUSLY and don't just view it as play time with the children then thirty hours is highly excessive...
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riverboy



Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is serious dichotomy in teaching over here. The first is that you take your teaching seriously and are atrue professional anout it, then more often than not, you will be very frustrated with the bad practices your hogwan want you to do wich ends up making you work more hours for little effective purposes. One example is the Wonderland phone test, a totally useless script which is done to satisfy the parents and show that thier kids are actually speaking english.
More often than not ,when you phone, the student does not have the script and you have to phone back several times. Or, the old Harmony scenario happens with granny answering the phone with about a dozen or so"yobeseyo's and hangs up on you. The script is usually useless conversation and poorly written(often by the supervisor). One question which I refused to ask was "what do you thing love means more than hope?"
Now i am not saying that the idea of a phone test is bad, but Wonderland considers this volunteer work and you do not get paid. The major problem is it is a monotone script reading. I suggested at one point, to engage the kids in a series of predeermined questions and answers by the teacher. I would give the kids a chance to improvise. My director looked at me wide eyed and ran away.
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Starperson



Joined: 23 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YOu could think of it as...you're a selection of meats. You can offer the steak, or you can offer the packaged ham, or the liver. Offer less of yourself, don't get so stressed out.
Or perhaps it's the other way around, offer your best and have less stress?

I don't know which one it is. But I've seen teachers whose motto is, this is just a job, it's a way for me to get money, have a good time in Korea then go home. Others obviously see it as their career and take pridei n their teaching.
Who fares better?
Depending on the hagwon, the less serious teacher probably satisfies the hagwon - teach kids a bit of English, satisfy the parents, keep the business running, all the while having a decent life in Korea.
The committed teacher would probably be unsatisfied and become the husk or the...shell that the OP described, UNLESS he or she's working in an institution that has equally high standards.

I am ham.
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sadsac



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Gwangwang

PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YOu could think of it as...you're a selection of meats. You can offer the steak, or you can offer the packaged ham, or the liver. Offer less of yourself, don't get so stressed out.

Personally, for a hogwan I would be pet mince. There are some places out there where you would be Grade A prime rib, though not many.
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riverboy



Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

let's not forget everyone, we are living in a country which considers dog a delicacy
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