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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Jandar wrote: |
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anyone seriously considering voting mccain/palin deserves to be disenfranchised for a period no less than and no longer than the next 5 general elections.
seriously - do you want another person who says "nuculer" for "nuclear" anywhere near any sort of power? think *bleep* hard, folks.
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Nukular is a Carterism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7spOEfRN-0 |
oh, so he coined it? did he coin it because he was a liberal? i think you are far from the nuculus of the problem.
it's 2008, can't we demand a little more more of world leaders? especially the ones who can launch nuculer weapons? |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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oh, and here's more. not only is she a liar, she's a dedicated, steadfast moron. didn't i say that already though?
from http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/15/bess/index1.html
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Soon after the book controversy, Bess found himself again at odds with Palin and her fellow evangelicals. In 1996, evangelical churches mounted a vigorous campaign to take over the local hospital's community board and ban abortion from the valley. When they succeeded, Bess and Dr. Susan Lemagie, a Palmer OB-GYN, fought back, filing suit on behalf of a local woman who had been forced to travel to Seattle for an abortion. The case was finally decided by the Alaska Supreme Court, which ruled that the hospital must provide valley women with the abortion option.
At one point during the hospital battle, passions ran so hot that local antiabortion activists organized a boisterous picket line outside Dr. Lemagie's office, in an unassuming professional building across from Palmer's Little League field. According to Bess and another community activist, among the protesters trying to disrupt the physician's practice that day was Sarah Palin.
Another valley activist, Philip Munger, says that Palin also helped push the evangelical drive to take over the Mat-Su Borough school board. "She wanted to get people who believed in creationism on the board," said Munger, a music composer and teacher. "I bumped into her once after my band played at a graduation ceremony at the Assembly of God. I said, 'Sarah, how can you believe in creationism -- your father's a science teacher.' And she said, 'We don't have to agree on everything.'
"I pushed her on the earth's creation, whether it was really less than 7,000 years old and whether dinosaurs and humans walked the earth at the same time. And she said yes, she'd seen images somewhere of dinosaur fossils with human footprints in them."
Munger also asked Palin if she truly believed in the End of Days, the doomsday scenario when the Messiah will return. "She looked in my eyes and said, 'Yes, I think I will see Jesus come back to earth in my lifetime.'"
Bess is unnerved by the prospect of Palin -- a woman whose mind is given to dogmatic certitude -- standing one step away from the Oval Office. "It's truly frightening that someone like Sarah has risen to the national level," Bess said. "Like all religious fundamentalists -- Christian, Jewish, Muslim -- she is a dualist. They view life as an ongoing struggle to the finish between good and evil. Their mind-set is that you do not do business with evil -- you destroy it. Talking with the enemy is not part of their plan. That puts someone like Obama on the side of evil.
"Forget all this chatter about whether or not she knows what the Bush doctrine is. That's trivial. The real disturbing thing about Sarah is her mind-set. It's her underlying belief system that will influence how she responds in an international crisis, if she's ever in that position, and has the full might of the U.S. military in her hands. She gave some indication of that thinking in her ABC interview, when she suggested how willing she would be to go to war with Russia.
"Alaskans liked that certitude when she was dealing with corrupt politicians and the oil industry -- and there is something admirable about it. But when you're dealing with a complex and dangerous world as commander in chief, that's a different story."
Bess said that he and fellow valley residents have long been charmed by the Sarah Palin who is now dazzling the American public. Despite their strong political differences, "she always has a warm greeting for me when we bump into each other. She's the most charming person you'll ever know."
"But," Bess adds, "this person's election would be a disaster for the country and the world."
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IncognitoHFX
Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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People are complainging about Palin's international experience and she's only going to be Vice President?
WTF are you people smoking. Obama is just as inexperienced and he's running for f-ing President for christs sake.
McCain's selection of Palin is genius. Anyone who points a finger at Palin and her inexperience will be called a hypocrite for not pointing that same finger at Obama. |
a quick comparison:
"Obama was elected to the Illinois Senate in 1996, succeeding State Senator Alice Palmer..."
"Palin became Alaska's first female governor [. . .] She took office on December 4, 2006"
doesn't 10 years in federal politics count for something more than being the mayor of a town of 9780 people? my 14 year old niece could do that job.
obama inexperienced? just keep repeating that and eventually everyone will believe it. unfortunately for you, it's horseshit. in contrast, mccain, who is 25 years older than obama, has only 14 more years of house/senate experience. if you're going to keep blowing hard on the "oh, he's so inexperienced" crap, why not take mccain to task for entering federal politics so late? if anything, the generation gap between mccain and most of the electorate and it making mccain out of touch with reality is a bigger problem than obama being some kind of spring chicken.
as well - what's mccain's attendance record? it's crap. he missed 64% of his votes. obama just barely gets a pass, but a 36% attendance record? and this guy wants to be president? doesn't inactivity enter the equation at all?
contrast this with obama's activity as a senator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bills_sponsored_by_Barack_Obama_in_the_United_States_Senate
Barack Obama has sponsored 136 bills since Jan 4, 2005.
That's a ratio of 136/3. roughly 45.333333 per year.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400629
John McCain has sponsored 537 bills since Jan 21, 1993. roughly 35 per year.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300071
and just look at their mannerisms. when faced with a question, the mccain camp does its best to hide and give vague answers. obama seems to look you straight on and give the most fair and honest answer he can. perhaps it's an act, but i just have more confidence in the guy.
mccain is 72, and he's not in the best of health. do you have any idea just how fucked the USA would be if he kicked the bucket? only a moron would put themselves in the position where sarah palin could one day become president. she's a religious fruitcake with near zero experience, and her record shows her to be a vindictive cronyist bitch.
mccain's selection of palin was indeed genius. palin hiding from the media for 2 weeks and then looking like a moron once she was in front of the camera? she blew it on that one.
you find me a person who actually trusts palin with this responsibility, i'll show you a person who has problems at a chromosomal level. does the US let people with down's syndrome vote? |
Awesome post. I agree wholeheartedly. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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She's useless. McCain has made a huge blunder.......but, we must remember, Americans elected Bush jr. TWICE!!!!!!  |
Bingo. It's funny how the nation that makes the biggest deal about demoncracy also makes the worst case for it. |
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PBRstreetgang21
Joined: 19 Feb 2007
Location: Orlando, FL--- serving as man's paean to medocrity since 1971!
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| doesn't a single person notice a vague resemblance between palin and monica lewinsky? |
try Dan Quayle almost EXACT
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| It's funny how the nation that makes the biggest deal about demoncracy also makes the worst case for it. |
Yes, only America has elected piss poor leaders, Canada NEVER elected Brian Mulroney or Stephen Harper and Britain never had John Major or Neville Chamberlain. EVERY country in the world has elected bad leaders. We arent the first. We've also elected some of the greatest.
Our case for democracy has more to do with the fact that we were the first country in the history of the planet to succesfully execute a colonial war of independence, we are the oldest continually operating Federal republic and the oldest continually operating liberal democracy with the oldest continually operating Constitution. Plus the story of our founding just kicks ass.
No American has ever said we are perfect. No American thinks we arent without flaws or issues. But just because we arent perfect and just because we do have flaws doesnt mean we arent awesome. It also doesnt detract that when time has come and gone and the world is reshaped in new ways people wont look back and say America was one of the most amazing things to happen to human civilization in the history of mankind.
We have are issues from time to time but on the whole I think we know what we are doing. |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| yawarakaijin wrote: |
B) A man who thinks middleclass constitutes making
around $4,000,000 a year. 
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Duh...it was a joke and was directed at Obama! |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| doesn't a single person notice a vague resemblance between palin and monica lewinsky? |
try Dan Quayle almost EXACT
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| It's funny how the nation that makes the biggest deal about demoncracy also makes the worst case for it. |
Yes, only America has elected piss poor leaders, Canada NEVER elected Brian Mulroney or Stephen Harper and Britain never had John Major or Neville Chamberlain. EVERY country in the world has elected bad leaders. We arent the first. We've also elected some of the greatest.
Our case for democracy has more to do with the fact that we were the first country in the history of the planet to succesfully execute a colonial war of independence, we are the oldest continually operating Federal republic and the oldest continually operating liberal democracy with the oldest continually operating Constitution. Plus the story of our founding just kicks ass.
No American has ever said we are perfect. No American thinks we arent without flaws or issues. But just because we arent perfect and just because we do have flaws doesnt mean we arent awesome. It also doesnt detract that when time has come and gone and the world is reshaped in new ways people wont look back and say America was one of the most amazing things to happen to human civilization in the history of mankind.
We have are issues from time to time but on the whole I think we know what we are doing. |
Don't y'all know every election is already chosen for us? That goes for international elections too, people. |
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PBRstreetgang21
Joined: 19 Feb 2007
Location: Orlando, FL--- serving as man's paean to medocrity since 1971!
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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chosen for us?
chosen by whom?
If the election where chosen for us we would have had Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton the two people most beloved by their party elites and the big wigs on Wall Street and the Insurance industry. These two were most loved by corporate America, Hollywood, and other establishments.
Yet John McCain who was written off as DoA managed to climb to the heap, and Barack Obama capitalized on some serious popular support to both leap ahead.
The only time the winner was "chosen" was Bush in 2000 at the Supreme Court.
I dont think "the powers that be" where so interested in a peanut farmer from Athens, GA or a poor Quaker from a lemon orchard in California who NOBODY even today likes. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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Here's one important factor when one tries to compare Palin's lack of international experience to Obamas:
their general knowledge of internation affiars!
I know this doesn't count much when it comes to experience, but if you look at the multitude of interviews done on Obama and the one interview of Palin where questions were asked about international affiars you see an enormous difference between the two.
Obama appears to have a pretty good understanding of the world and the host of problems associated with it.
I don't see the same for Palin. |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:15 am Post subject: |
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chosen for us?
chosen by whom?
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It's part of a well-oiled machine. Research The Bilderbergs, Trilateral Commission, and the Council on Foreign Relations. |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:15 am Post subject: |
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Here's one important factor when one tries to compare Palin's lack of international experience to Obamas:
their general knowledge of internation affiars!
I know this doesn't count much when it comes to experience, but if you look at the multitude of interviews done on Obama and the one interview of Palin where questions were asked about international affiars you see an enormous difference between the two.
Obama appears to have a pretty good understanding of the world and the host of problems associated with it.
I don't see the same for Palin. |
another thing - someone asserted (erroneously) earlier that obama is a muslim. i don't personally see that as being a problem, some may have some bug up their ass about planes in buildings being the doing of the whole muslim world.
however, if he was indeed muslim, or identified with his muslim background in any way - would that not make him more qualified to deal with any enemies from that part of the world, real or manufactured? |
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PBRstreetgang21
Joined: 19 Feb 2007
Location: Orlando, FL--- serving as man's paean to medocrity since 1971!
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Its also worth pointing out that Obama sits on the Foreign Relations committee and worked on legislation to help reign in the proliferation of nuclear arms. Now that isnt Joe Biden or George HW Bush level of experience BUT its way more than Sarah "I-can-see-russia-from-alaska" Palin. Its also worth pointing out his VP brings added experience in things he doesnt have, whereas McCain's VP choice represents total dependency on one man, who obviously feels he doesnt need outside help or advice. We've had enough of a man who doesnt "need help".
Its also worth pointing out the virtually all Presidents were extensively traveled before they took office. There is one exception to that though--
George W Bush, foreign policy wonder.
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| It's part of a well-oiled machine. Research The Bilderbergs, Trilateral Commission, and the Council on Foreign Relations. |
I'm well versed in the history of those groups as well as some others. I just don't buy the central argument-- that leaders of the world derive their power from those goups. Rather I see those groups deriving their power from the leaders. Wouldn't the President of the US want to meet with the Presidents of other countries and the prominent business leaders to work out deals. But I suppose our opppsite prospectives will just have to sit where they are. |
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