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branchsnapper
Joined: 21 Feb 2008
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 Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: F2 visa holders and police reports |
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I'm sorry, I guess this information is here somewhere - but as an F2 visa holder is it now necessary to send the police report to a new employer yourself? Last September my public school simply sent away for it themselves and there was no problem.
I was thinking of applying to the Chosun university ad recently put on Dave's but they want applicants to send in all the documents including sealed transcripts and apparently refuse to return a thing if you don't get the job. It seems a bit harsh.... |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: F Visa Question |
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| F2 visa holders are not required to submit a police report UNLESS it is a specific requirement of the hiring institution. If they require one I would suppose they must obtain it at their own expense. The CRC is something that takes place at immigration when you apply for and receive your F 2 visa, at least it has been since I received my F2-1 visa more than 3 years ago. I am now on the F5-9 and if I was ever asked for a CRC I would tell the people they must bear the cost and expense of it on their own if they want it, because it is duplicating the work immigration has already done on my behalf. |
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Faunaki
Joined: 15 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm F2 and I have not bothered with the police report thing. I've never been asked for it. |
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saw6436
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon, ROK
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm on an F5-9 living in Daejeon. All of the workers in my school were required to do a CRC about 2 months ago. Good thing is that it was done locally and the school paid. No problems. |
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branchsnapper
Joined: 21 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks to all, that sounds good. I have a horrible feeling that not everyone I will be dealing with as I search for jobs will believe it though. |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject: Facts |
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| The fact is this: it doesn't matter if they believe it or not, it's the law. If anyone gives you any lip, tell them to take it up with immigration since it is their responsibility to know these things, and you should not have to educate them on it. However, the last thing you want to do is give in and leave the impression that they know what they are talking about, because if they tell you anything different than what us F2 and F5 people have already told you, they are lying and that is the truth. I'll even go so far as to make this promise, you have any trouble with anyone, just contact me via this board and my wife and I both will talk to the person or persons to straighten this out. I tire these days of the Korean admins who are trying to play god with people, making claims about the immigration regulations they have no reason to be shooting their mouths off about. Any problems, just get in touch and have them contact me personally. |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:40 am Post subject: |
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| Quite right there me matey. |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:51 am Post subject: |
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There is an f2 holder who is being extricated to Philly this week. I guess he never had to submit a police report, he is a murderer. 
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'96 slay suspect returning to Philly from S. Korea
By MARYCLAIRE DALE � 11 hours ago
PHILADELPHIA (AP) � A man charged with murder who fled to his parents' homeland of South Korea and started a new life a decade ago is due to return to Philadelphia in handcuffs.
David Heyon Nam, 31, was scheduled to arrive at Philadelphia on Tuesday and be turned over to homicide police to stand trial for the 1996 home-invasion slaying of a retiree.
In 1998, Nam severed his electronic-monitoring bracelet and fled the United States just before the trial was about to start, Philadelphia prosecutors say.
Nam is due to arrive at Philadelphia International Airport in FBI custody Tuesday afternoon, according to John Kitzinger, supervisor of the FBI's violent crimes unit in Philadelphia.
Nam, of North Wales, was 19 when he was charged with killing 75-year-old Anthony Schroeder with a shotgun after the victim responded to a break-in with a handgun. Three 14-year-old accomplices who pleaded guilty to third-degree murder named Nam as the shooter.
The testimony of the accomplices, now adults, remains the bulk of the prosecution's case, Assistant District Attorney Mark Gilson said in March, when Nam's capture was announced.
Nam told police in South Korea after his arrest that he had taught there under several aliases, the Gyeonggi Provincial Police Agency said.
Philadelphia District Attorney Lynne Abraham has said she has little sympathy for Nam, who could face the death penalty or life in prison, even though he is now married with several children.
"That's on him," Abraham said last spring.
Nam surrendered to South Korean authorities in 1999 after he was featured in a South Korean TV show on fugitives. He was released, however, because the U.S. had no formal extradition treaty with South Korea at the time.
That changed in December 1999 after Abraham sought help from Congress, but Nam by then had gone back into hiding.
Nam was born and raised in the U.S. but held dual citizenship through his parents. Prosecutors believe his parents helped him flee, even though his father, Gi Nam, then a suburban businessman, had posted $100,000 security toward the $1 million bail.
Schroeder, a World War II veteran, was up watching TV with the door open on a hot August night when the intruders appeared. Prosecutors believe Nam panicked and fired the shotgun when he saw that Schroeder was armed.
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gteacher
Joined: 24 May 2007
Location: Ghost in the machine
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:00 am Post subject: |
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| spliff wrote: |
There is an f2 holder who is being extricated to Philly this week. I guess he never had to submit a police report, he is a murderer.
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'96 slay suspect returning to Philly from S. Korea
By MARYCLAIRE DALE – 11 hours ago
PHILADELPHIA (AP) — A man charged with murder who fled to his parents' homeland of South Korea and started a new life a decade ago is due to return to Philadelphia in handcuffs.
David Heyon Nam, 31, was scheduled to arrive at Philadelphia on Tuesday and be turned over to homicide police to stand trial for the 1996 home-invasion slaying of a retiree.
In 1998, Nam severed his electronic-monitoring bracelet and fled the United States just before the trial was about to start, Philadelphia prosecutors say.
Nam is due to arrive at Philadelphia International Airport in FBI custody Tuesday afternoon, according to John Kitzinger, supervisor of the FBI's violent crimes unit in Philadelphia.
Nam, of North Wales, was 19 when he was charged with killing 75-year-old Anthony Schroeder with a shotgun after the victim responded to a break-in with a handgun. Three 14-year-old accomplices who pleaded guilty to third-degree murder named Nam as the shooter.
The testimony of the accomplices, now adults, remains the bulk of the prosecution's case, Assistant District Attorney Mark Gilson said in March, when Nam's capture was announced.
Nam told police in South Korea after his arrest that he had taught there under several aliases, the Gyeonggi Provincial Police Agency said.
Philadelphia District Attorney Lynne Abraham has said she has little sympathy for Nam, who could face the death penalty or life in prison, even though he is now married with several children.
"That's on him," Abraham said last spring.
Nam surrendered to South Korean authorities in 1999 after he was featured in a South Korean TV show on fugitives. He was released, however, because the U.S. had no formal extradition treaty with South Korea at the time.
That changed in December 1999 after Abraham sought help from Congress, but Nam by then had gone back into hiding.
Nam was born and raised in the U.S. but held dual citizenship through his parents. Prosecutors believe his parents helped him flee, even though his father, Gi Nam, then a suburban businessman, had posted $100,000 security toward the $1 million bail.
Schroeder, a World War II veteran, was up watching TV with the door open on a hot August night when the intruders appeared. Prosecutors believe Nam panicked and fired the shotgun when he saw that Schroeder was armed.
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Spliff, I believe he was an F4. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| Spliff Spliffed! |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject: F4 vs F2-1 & F5 |
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There is a lot of confusion about the F visas and people don't really take time to find out the facts, although Spliff is usually more in tune than his latest comment. This is not a slam to him, but the F4 is entirely different than the other F visas and has its own set of standards and regulations from immigration. F4 residents are given a bit more leeway simply because they are of Korean heritage. Their visas provide them with certain rights that other F visa holders are just now beginning to experience in regard to employment freedom.
Now I know several F4 people may try to bust my chops over the comments, but it is true to a larger degree. I have several F4 friends who have personally shared the rights and privileges they are afforded and it is only until recent that some of the F2-1 and F5-9 rights have fallen more in line with what they have had all along, with one exception, the CRC.
Not sure if it will change for the F4 people or not, but my F2-1 and my F5-9 required a CRC at the expense of immigration and I was glad they did it. The people you speak with may tell you a different story, but the people I dealt with on both occasions (different people) informed me that a CRC was part of the process. This is why it makes no sense for an employer to make such a demand on people who hold these visas. |
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gteacher
Joined: 24 May 2007
Location: Ghost in the machine
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: Re: F4 vs F2-1 & F5 |
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| tob55 wrote: |
There is a lot of confusion about the F visas and people don't really take time to find out the facts, although Spliff is usually more in tune than his latest comment. This is not a slam to him, but the F4 is entirely different than the other F visas and has its own set of standards and regulations from immigration. F4 residents are given a bit more leeway simply because they are of Korean heritage. Their visas provide them with certain rights that other F visa holders are just now beginning to experience in regard to employment freedom.
Now I know several F4 people may try to bust my chops over the comments, but it is true to a larger degree. I have several F4 friends who have personally shared the rights and privileges they are afforded and it is only until recent that some of the F2-1 and F5-9 rights have fallen more in line with what they have had all along, with one exception, the CRC.
Not sure if it will change for the F4 people or not, but my F2-1 and my F5-9 required a CRC at the expense of immigration and I was glad they did it. The people you speak with may tell you a different story, but the people I dealt with on both occasions (different people) informed me that a CRC was part of the process. This is why it makes no sense for an employer to make such a demand on people who hold these visas. |
Tob55 is dead on here. F2's and F5's both have background checks done. F4's do not require the check, I expect that the exception on background checks for F4's will change at some point in the future. |
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branchsnapper
Joined: 21 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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I contacted a recruiter about the issue and she said that for public schools I would need to submit the report the same as anyone else - does that mean that all public schools are included within the schools that have their own requirements (as mentioned by tob55)?
I got a PM offering me a public school job too, so I guess the person who sent that would like to know as well..... |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I contacted a recruiter about the issue and she said that for public schools I would need to submit the report the same as anyone else |
(Pardon the expression) The recruiter doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground. They are creating some nefarious and senseless rule that is not necessary. Tell the recruiter to call immigration. I bet you a hundred dollars she'll say she already did, which is another lie.
Listen, I want to help, and I told you the truth about this. If you are an F2 and they want a criminal background check then tell them fine, they can pay for it and do it. You are not required by law to do it. The more this happens the worse it makes things for those of us who have had to fight tooth and toenail to get to the point we are now with immigration. These idiots playing demigod with foreigners and the foreigners who are unwilling to stand up for their civil rights is what is causing the biggest trouble for the whole immigrant population in South Korea right now.
Have the recruiter call me or my wife. Send me a PM with the recruiters number. I'll call personally. I am really tired of the crap. Nothing but lies coming from these people in an attempt to make their selves look better or more intelligent when they don't know anything about the rules or what is required. All the rules regarding the CRC are for E2 and other E visa holders where it is indicated. End of story. |
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branchsnapper
Joined: 21 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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Tob, I can give you the recruiters e-mail if you really want but I just asked her the question to find out rather than to use her services to be honest, so I don't really want to give her grief about it. She was nice (?) enough to tell me her opinion on the matter twice. She is adamant that privates don't need the form, but that a public school will.
Are you sure logic comes into it? I mean, after all most of us Fs have submitted the things we have to submit before, sealed transcripts in particular. It seems that she is saying that the problem is not with the immigration people, since she doesn't think it is an issue with private schools. |
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