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Adventurer
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| Joo, you can speculate that Saddam wasn't tricked. He was basically encouraged to invade Iran by the U.S. The US knew he could possibly invade Kuwait, and Bush senior could have given him a clear warning, but he chose not to, so Saddam could have thought he had a green light even if he didn't. The US should have been clear about it. Ambassadors communicate with the U.S. and Bush probably knew what was going on, he is briefed by the CIA. And then Bush gave the Saudis the impression that they were about to be invaded which wasn't accurate. There was no indication of that. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| Joo, you can speculate that Saddam wasn't tricked. He was basically encouraged to invade Iran by the U.S. The US knew he could possibly invade Kuwait, and Bush senior could have given him a clear warning, but he chose not to, so Saddam could have thought he had a green light even if he didn't. The US should have been clear about it. Ambassadors communicate with the U.S. and Bush probably knew what was going on, he is briefed by the CIA. And then Bush gave the Saudis the impression that they were about to be invaded which wasn't accurate. There was no indication of that. |
The record shows that Saddam thought the US would fight hm for Kuwait and Saddam thought he could win.
At any rate this is not the first time the US has been hit w/ such an accusation.
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| Nor was Acheson always successful. His decision to declare that Korea was outside the bounds of the U.S. defense perimeter is thought to have encouraged Stalin and Kim Il-Sung to cross the north-south boundary of that temporarily partitioned country... |
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/dean-acheson-by-robert-l--beisner-10833
also is is highly unlikey that the US encouraged Saddam to invade Iran since in 1980 the US did not have diplomatic ties with Iraq and indeed both counties had out right unfriendly relations. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Al Qaeda murders Mauritanian soldiers
Posted Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:13am AEST
The bodies of 12 soldiers who were abducted in the west African country of Mauritania have been found with their throats cut.
The bodies were dumped in the desert outside a town in the north of the country where the soldiers were captured on Monday.
A group calling itself Al Qaeda's North Africa wing issued a statement saying that it had abducted the men. |
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/21/2370046.htm?section=world
Bush was wrong Al Qaeda didn't attack the US cause they don't like our freedoms but that doesn't mean that the anti war movement is right about why Al Qaeda fights.
Al Qaeda fights for the Caliphate. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Al Qaeda fights for the Caliphate. |
So what? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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Al Qaeda isn't a defensive movement it is an offensive movement. They won't stop attacking until they get what they want or are destroyed.
If they US has diplomatic and / or trade ties with anyone they don't approve of or if the US votes at the UN is ways they don't like then Al Qaeda will continue to attack. |
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mises
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| And? Permanent war until muslim kids stop watching youtube vids? Until muslims stop blowing stuff up? These things will never end. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| And? Permanent war until muslim kids stop watching youtube vids? Until muslims stop blowing stuff up? These things will never end. |
Whatever it takes to get Al Qaeda to give up their war. The US isn't at fault there they are.
Start by getting mideast regimes to violate the human rights of those that support Al Qaeda. |
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mises
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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So, we just have war cause we're gonna be stubborn?
naaaaaaa you started it!
Come on. War is the single quickest way to erode domestic freedom and unwind national financial health. You. Can't. Afford. It. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
So, we just have war cause we're gonna be stubborn?
naaaaaaa you started it!
Come on. War is the single quickest way to erode domestic freedom and unwind national financial health. You. Can't. Afford. It. |
In the end the US can't allow a war to be waged against it. The US looked the other way in the 1990's and the result was 9-11.
The US is not at fault here the enemy is. |
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mises
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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AQ killed 3,000 people. 40,000 die from car accidents every year. Ike and Katrina did more property damage. The Fed has done much more economic damage.
http://picture-book.com/files/userimages/189u/elephantandmouse.jpg
Between cancer, heart disease, addiction, autos and others the damage the AQ did is nothing. It is just nothing. Sure, it was surprising as hell and it was terrible, horrible and disgusting. But camon dude. Let's move on. Just tighten immigration and use good policing on the ones that are there already. No need for all this war bullshit. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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9-11 could have been worse and the overall economic damage was in the trillions.
There is a way to get ahead of the enemy and the US can do it.
Al Qaeda and the other groups don't have a right to cull Americans when ever they feel bored.
And policing won't get Al Qaeda to stop attacking overseas. It probably isn't enough to protect US from terror either. They will get through eventually. |
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mises
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| The enemy is obedient muslims who go off the rails. To defeat them, we would have to do things that we are not going to do. Proper policing, sensible immigration is enough. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| The enemy is obedient muslims who go off the rails. To defeat them, we would have to do things that we are not going to do. Proper policing, sensible immigration is enough. |
The US tried to stop them with the legal system before -in 1993. The US spent 42 million dollars to send 7 guys to jail. but it did not stop the enemy from coming back. |
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W.T.Carl
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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| It's better to kill them OVER THERE, than to have them come over here. I could care less if Iraq or any other muslim country has to be bombed back into the stone age. This war of civilizations. You have a choice- submit to Islam or fight against Islam. There is no middle ground. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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Even the press in Pakistan says that Al Qaeda fights for the Caliphate.
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| But let us ask what will happen if Pakistan pulls out of the �war on terror�. The presumption, which is not spelled out, is that once this happens there will be no contradiction between Al Qaeda and its foot soldiers in FATA on the one hand and the state of Pakistan on the other. But what about the well established fact that Al Qaeda has a programme of �Islamic reform� that is global and which will start by converting Pakistan into a state based on Al Qaeda�s radical caliphate which will be the base area of its declared war on the US and the West? If we accept the assumption that our military capacity is not equal to engaging Al Qaeda in a civil war-like conflict, the unspoken assumption is that the Muslims of Pakistan will and should accept the Al Qaeda philosophy as �true faith� and allow the transformation of the state to Al Qaeda�s liking and standards. Of course, the �liberals� will be eliminated in the new order and this �wish� is apparent from the term �liberal fascists� that is being used these days in some reactionary Urdu columns. |
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008%5C09%5C23%5Cstory_23-9-2008_pg3_1
The only ones who say that is not Al Qaeda's aim are the anti war movement in the west. |
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