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IncognitoHFX
Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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| reactionary wrote: |
| "We've had 8 years of Bush." |
Because the effects of Bush aren't felt anywhere outside the US Border. Give me a break.
I want to use impressionable Americans to vote via proxy. |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| If I had a country, evangelical Christians would not be allowed to vote, run in office or practice in public. |
And if your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle. As for the actual country in question, there's Article VI:
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| ...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States. |
And the First Amendment:
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| Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof... |
Thank God the United States is (nominally) governed by the Constitution, and not by The Will of IncognitoHFX.
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| In addition, everyone would have to pass an IQ test of sorts--or a critical thinking examination) in order to obtain voting rights. |
This I'm not necessarily opposed to, though lefties usually are; it would disproportionately disenfranchise poor and minority voters. |
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Palin supports the Patriot Act, so she is actually for people's e-mail accounts being snooped. |
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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Ut videam wrote: |
| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
| In addition, everyone would have to pass an IQ test of sorts--or a critical thinking examination) in order to obtain voting rights. |
This I'm not necessarily opposed to, though lefties usually are; it would disproportionately disenfranchise poor and minority voters. |
Actually it would also make sure the NRA nutjobs and born again zombies would not get a vote, so even call, I say. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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In any crime, and yes, this was a crime--hacking in to someone's private mail and publishing it for the whole world is a crime--you look for who has motivation. In other words, who benefits. It's not fool-proof, but it's a reasonable place to start.
Above, someone mentioned 'the Obama camp'. That really doesn't make much sense unless there is some damning evidence in the e-mails. I haven't looked, and won't, but someone said there isn't much of interest in them. Secondly, I very much doubt it would be officially ordered by the campaign. Everyone remembers Watergate.
The more likely culprit is a McCain supporter. It allows Palin to continue to play the victim, as she's been doing for 2 weeks now. Nothing of substance is revealed so she isn't embarrassed, she gets to play the innocent victim, AND it might distract people from the Wall Street meltdown which will probably hurt McCain. |
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Jandar
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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..and you would take away his vote for being Christian? |
Are you seeing clearly or are you only seeing what you want to see? I am referring to evangelicals, not run of the mill lay-Christians. Christians are one thing, these people are extremists. They're radical. You think I'm intolerant?
Palin believes the "rapture" is coming, and Jesus will descend from heaven in her lifetime. We're entrusting this nut with a whole lot, and she's already proven that she can't handle it.
Yet she's merely an example of what is going on all over the country.
You know what the really scary thing is? I'm starting to doubt that at the very top levels of government, the leaders are evangelicals. The evangelicals didn't vote until the government realized how big their numbers were about twenty or thirty years ago.
The government is using religion as a mobilising force, but do they actually believe what they preach or are they using an illogical faith as a tool to control the masses? Wouldn't that be perfect. Worked in the middle ages, hell (literally), why wouldn't it work now?
American society hasn't always been this dumb. It was the forefront of the world for so many years. America was the home of so many great things and despite massive blunders in the past, the whole world can see through to the good qualities that the country used to have.
Now the country is being divided and conditionned back into ancient ways of thinking. I think Obama would break this cycle, but if McCain and Palin are elected, we're going to witness the downfall of an empire. I guess what they say is true, "All Empires Fall". |
"And when this happens, when we allow freedom to ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!""
MLK
...and you want to take away their right to vote. |
Hence the remark I made about three pages ago about needing to take an IQ test in order to vote. Martin Luther King probably would have scored very high on critical thinking ability, as would other prominent historical figures.
George Bush, Sarah Palin and you might not score as high.
Are you even reading or are you just a quote machine?
I distinguish between types of Christians because some are far more rational than others. |
It was that same type of thinking which you are espousing that denied the voting rights of African Americans into the sixties with preconditions such as the ability write and speak English an IQ test would be about the same kind of precondition.
Your preconditions are prejudicial and bigoted.
Certainly those defending your view to deprive others of their vote based on your prejudice would not defend casting aside the votes of the blind or deaf, even the mentally challenged among us have rights.
We even allows those of prejudicial views such as yourself to vote.
In holding on to this one argument I think you have discredited the validity of your whole argument. I again I advise that you recant your prejudicial and bigoted statement for the sake of a clear and rational argument. |
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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
In any crime, and yes, this was a crime--hacking in to someone's private mail and publishing it for the whole world is a crime--you look for who has motivation. In other words, who benefits. It's not fool-proof, but it's a reasonable place to start.
Above, someone mentioned 'the Obama camp'. That really doesn't make much sense unless there is some damning evidence in the e-mails. I haven't looked, and won't, but someone said there isn't much of interest in them. Secondly, I very much doubt it would be officially ordered by the campaign. Everyone remembers Watergate.
The more likely culprit is a McCain supporter. It allows Palin to continue to play the victim, as she's been doing for 2 weeks now. Nothing of substance is revealed so she isn't embarrassed, she gets to play the innocent victim, AND it might distract people from the Wall Street meltdown which will probably hurt McCain. |
Good point, the Obama camp has nothing to gain from this, especially since there was nothing of interest in the emails, apparently. Just another reason for bassexpander, er, I mean the McCain camp to falsely cry "Foul" and keep baying "Stop picking on this woman you sexist pigs". For someone who pledged to run a clean campaign, McCain is making Nixon look like a saint. |
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Jandar
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
| Jandar wrote: |
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..and you would take away his vote for being Christian? |
Are you seeing clearly or are you only seeing what you want to see? I am referring to evangelicals, not run of the mill lay-Christians. Christians are one thing, these people are extremists. They're radical. You think I'm intolerant?
Palin believes the "rapture" is coming, and Jesus will descend from heaven in her lifetime. We're entrusting this nut with a whole lot, and she's already proven that she can't handle it.
Yet she's merely an example of what is going on all over the country.
You know what the really scary thing is? I'm starting to doubt that at the very top levels of government, the leaders are evangelicals. The evangelicals didn't vote until the government realized how big their numbers were about twenty or thirty years ago.
The government is using religion as a mobilising force, but do they actually believe what they preach or are they using an illogical faith as a tool to control the masses? Wouldn't that be perfect. Worked in the middle ages, hell (literally), why wouldn't it work now?
American society hasn't always been this dumb. It was the forefront of the world for so many years. America was the home of so many great things and despite massive blunders in the past, the whole world can see through to the good qualities that the country used to have.
Now the country is being divided and conditionned back into ancient ways of thinking. I think Obama would break this cycle, but if McCain and Palin are elected, we're going to witness the downfall of an empire. I guess what they say is true, "All Empires Fall". |
"And when this happens, when we allow freedom to ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!""
MLK
...and you want to take away their right to vote. |
Hence the remark I made about three pages ago about needing to take an IQ test in order to vote. Martin Luther King probably would have scored very high on critical thinking ability, as would other prominent historical figures.
George Bush, Sarah Palin and you might not score as high.
Are you even reading or are you just a quote machine?
I distinguish between types of Christians because some are far more rational than others. |
You brought up Einstein so I quoted Einstein for you.
If you don't want to hear from Einstein then why did you mention Einstein. |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Actually it would also make sure the NRA nutjobs and born again zombies would not get a vote, so even call, I say. |
I think you'd be surprised by how many NRA members and born-again Christians would pass an IQ test with flying colors.
Reliance on stereotypes and generalizations like these only demonstrates the ignorance of the one who relies upon them. Judging from posts like this, maybe you wouldn't do so well on that IQ or critical thinking test either. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| The view that people who hold certain views should not be allowed to vote is scarier than the other views discussed on this thread, including Palin's. |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Morons voting is as American as apple pie, unless of course you're a Founding Father. They didn't want anybody but the guys they hung out with at the saloon to vote. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| unless of course you're a Founding Father. They didn't want anybody but the guys they hung out with at the saloon to vote. |
Considering a lot of posts on this thread, can you honestly say they were wrong? |
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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Ut videam wrote: |
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| Actually it would also make sure the NRA nutjobs and born again zombies would not get a vote, so even call, I say. |
I think you'd be surprised by how many NRA members and born-again Christians would pass an IQ test with flying colors.
Reliance on stereotypes and generalizations like these only demonstrates the ignorance of the one who relies upon them. Judging from posts like this, maybe you wouldn't do so well on that IQ or critical thinking test either. |
Maybe you wouldn't do well. I never said they were all nutjobs or zombies, but I guess for some reason you took it to mean all of them. Likewise, I'm sure the person I was replying to would agree that many minorities and poor people would also do well on the IQ exam. Don't feel too bad about your score, though. I'm sure you're doing well at your job, despite your tendency to project. |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:01 am Post subject: |
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| Morons voting is as American as apple pie, unless of course you're a Founding Father. They didn't want anybody but the guys they hung out with at the saloon to vote. |
Huh? |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:11 am Post subject: |
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| Morons voting is as American as apple pie, unless of course you're a Founding Father. They didn't want anybody but the guys they hung out with at the saloon to vote. |
Huh? |
Yep. |
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