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The Arabic word koran in English is exactly translated to recitation . That is, mo' recited the WORD OF GOD. You think that as equal to a play?
Are you 1) being defensive or 2) retarded.
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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Here is the long list.
This is what this naive fool "respects":
1. "Show us the straight path, The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray."
Muslims generally interpret "those whom Allah has favored," "those who earn Allah's anger," and "those who go astray" as Muslims, Jews, and Christians, respectively. 1:6-7
2. Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2:6
3. Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 2:10
4. Allah has blinded the disbelievers. 2:17-18
5. A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24
6. Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 2:39, 2:90
7. Allah stamped wretchedness upon the Jews because they killed the prophets and disbelieved Allah's revelations. 2:61
8. Allah turned the Sabbath-breaking Jews into apes. 2:65-66
9. If you believe in only part of the Scripture, you will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next. 2:85
10. Allah has cursed them for their unbelief. 2:88
11. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers. 2:89
12. Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell. 2:96
13. Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. 2:98
14. Only evil people are disbelievers. 2:99
15. For disbelievers is a painful doom. 2:104
16. Don't question anything Muhammed says or choose disbelief over faith. 2:108
17. "But those who keep their duty to Allah will be above them [non-muslims] on the Day of Resurrection." 2:212
18. For unbelievers: ignominy in this world, an awful doom in the next. 2:114
19. "And thou wilt not be asked about the owners of hell-fire." (They are the non-muslims.) 2:119
20. Disbelievers are losers. 2:121
21. Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 2:126
22. "Who forsaketh the religion of Abraham save him who befooleth himself?"
Cited in the Hamas Charter (Article 27) to condemn the idea of a secular state. 2:130
23. Those who reject the proofs, are accursed of Allah. 2:159
24. Those who die disbelievers, are cursed by Allah, angels, and men. 2:161
25. The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 2:162
26. They will not emerge from the Fire. 2:167
27. Disbelievers will be deaf, dumb, and blind. 2:171
28. Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. 2:174
29. How constant are they in their strife to reach the Fire! 2:175
30. Believers must retaliate. Those who transgress will have a painful doom. 2:178
31. Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2
32. Fight them until "religion is for Allah." 2:193
33. Those who fail in their duty to Allah are proud and sinful. They will all go to hell. 2:206
34. War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216
35. Those who die in their disbelief will burn forever in the Fire. 2:217
36. Intermarriage is forbidden. 2:221
37. The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers. 2:254
38. Disbelievers worship false gods. The will burn forever in the Fire. 2:257
39. Allah does not guide disbelievers. 2:264
40. "Give us victory over the disbelieving folk." 2:286
41. Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 3:4
42. Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 3:10
43. Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 3:12
44. Non-muslims will be punished by Allah for their nonbelief. 3:19
45. "If they surrender, then truly they are rightly guided, and if they turn away, then it is thy duty only to convey the message."
(The message for those who won't surrender is "you're going to hell.") 3:20
46. Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 3:21
47. "They [Christians and Jews] say: The Fire will not touch us save for a certain number of days. That which they used to invent hath deceived them regarding their religion." (The Fire will burn them forever.) 3:24
48. Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. 3:28
49. Allah loveth not the disbelievers. 3:32
50. Allah will punish disbelievers in this world and the next. They will have no helpers. 3:56
51. Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73
52. Theirs will be a painful doom. 3:77
53. All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 3:85
54. Apostates will be cursed by Allah, angels, and men. They will have a painful doom. 3:86-88
55. Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 3:91
56. Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 3:105-6
57. Muslims are the best people. Most Non-muslims are "evil-livers." 3:110
58. Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 3:116
59. Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118
60. The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 3:131
61. Give us victory over the disbelieving folk. 3:147
62. Do not obey disbelievers. 3:149
63. We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 3:151
64. "Is one who followeth the pleasure of Allah as one who hath earned condemnation from Allah, whose habitation is the Fire?"
Unbelievers will burn forever in the Fire. 3:162
65. Theirs will be an awful doom. 3:176
66. Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 3:177
67. Disbelievers will go to Hell. 3:196
68. Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will be burnt with fire and suffer a painful doom. 4:14
69. For the disbelievers and those who make a last-minute conversion, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:18
70. For disbelievers, We prepare a shameful doom. 4:37
71. "Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not." 4:46
72. Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers. (See 2:65-66) 4:47
73. Those who ascribe a partner to Allah (like Christians do with Jesus and the Holy Spirit) will not be forgiven. They have "invented a tremendous sin." 4:48, 4:116
74. Those who invent lies about Allah are guilty of flagrant sin. 4:50
75. Jews and Christians believe in idols and false deities, yet they claim to be more rightly guided than Muslims. 4:51
76. "Those (Christians and Jews) are they whom Allah hath cursed." 4:52
77. Hell is sufficient for their burning. 4:55
78. Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 4:56
79. Those who refuse to follow Muhammad, follow false gods and are deceived by Satan. 4:60
80. Those who refuse to believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad are hypocrites. 4:61
81. Oppose and admonish those who refuse to follow Muhammad. 4:63
82. The hypocrites refuse to die for Allah and Muhammad. 4:66
83. Those who obey Allah and Muhammad are favored by Allah. They are the best company. 4:69
84. Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 4:74
85. Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil. 4:76
86. Allah casts the hypocrites back to disbelief. Don't try to guide those that Allah sends astray. 4:88
87. Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89
88. If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91
89. Believers shouldn't kill believers, unless by mistake. If you kill a believer by mistake, you must set free a believing slave. 4:92
90. Believers who kill believers will go to hell. 4:93
91. The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:101
92. For the disbelievers, Allah has prepared a shameful punishment. 4:102
93. Relent not in pursuit of the enemy. They have no hope from Allah. 4:104
94. Those who oppose the messenger and become unbelievers will go to hell. 4:115
95. They (those who ascribe partners to Allah) invoke in his stead only females and pray to Satan. 4:117
96. Allah will lead them astray and they will go to hell. 4:119-121
97. Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe and disbelieve again will never be forgiven by Allah. 4:137
98. For the hypocrites there will be a painful doom. 4:138
99. Allah will gather hypocrites and disbelievers into hell. 4:140
100. Allah will not allow disbelievers to succeed against believers. 4:141
101. Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 4:144
102. The hypocrites will be in the lowest part of hell and no one will help them there. 4:145
103. You must believe everything Allah and his messengers tell you. Those who don't are disbelievers and will face a painful doom. 4:150-151
104. For the wrongdoing Jews, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:160-1
105. God will guide disbelievers down a road that leads to everlasting hell. 4:168-169
106. Those who deny Islam will be losers in the Hereafter. 5:5
107. Disbelievers are the rightful owners of Hell. 5:10
108. Allah has cursed the Jews and hardened their hearts. Nearly all of them are treacherous. 5:12-13
109. Allah has stirred up enmity and hatred among Christians. 5:14
110. Christians are disbelievers for believing in the divinity of Christ. 5:17
111. Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33
112. Disbelievers will have a painful doom. 5:36
113. Disbelievers will want to come out of the Fire, but will not. Their will be a lasting doom. 5:37
114. Cut off the hands of thieves. It is an exemplary punishment from Allah. 5:38
115. Allah makes some people sin. He will not cleanse their hearts. They will have ignominy in this world, and in the Hereafter an awful doom. 5:41
116. Non-muslims are wrong doers. 5:45
117. Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51
118. Jews and Christians are losers. 5:53
119. Allah could replace nonbelievers with believers who would love him and do whatever he says. 5:54
120. Your only friends should be Allah, Muhammad, and those who believe correctly (Muslims). 5:55
121. Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians. 5:57
122. Jews and Christians are evil-livers. 5:59
123. Evil is the handiwork of the rabbis and priests. 5:63
124. Allah has cast enmity and hatred among the Jews. 5:64
125. Allah does not guide disbelievers. 5:67
126. The Jews rejected and killed Allah's prophets, since "they were wilfully blind and deaf." 5:70-71
127. Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72
128. Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 5:73
129. Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah. 5:80
130. Disbelievers will be owners of hell-fire. 5:86
131. Allah will test believers to see if they are afraid. Those who fail a second test will suffer a a painful doom. 5:94
132. After agreeing to send down a table of food from heaven, Jesus warns his disciples that will catch holy hell if they ever stop believing. 5:115
133. Those who deny the truth of Islam will be punished by Allah. 6:5
134. "See the nature of the consequence for the rejecters!" 6:11
135. "Those who ruin their souls will not believe." 6:12, 20
136. Disbelievers will say when they see the Fire that they would have believed if they had known the truth. But they are all liars. 6:27-28
137. Allah will torment those how deny his revelations. 6:49
138. Stay away from those who "meddle with" or mock the Quran. 6:68
139. Those who disbelieve will be forced to drink boiling water, and will face a painful doom. 6:70
140. When nonbelievers die, the angels will deliver to them doom and degradation. 6:93
141. Stay away from idolaters. 6:106
142. Allah confounds the hearts and eyes of unbelievers. 6:110
143. Most unbelievers are ignorant. 6:111
144. Allah allows some to disbelieve in the afterlife, and to take pleasure in their disbelief, so that he can torment them forever after they die. 6:113
145. The worst thing anyone can do is deny the revelations of Allah. Those who do so will be awared an evil doom. 6:157
146. Disbelievers lose their souls. 7:9
147. Allah has made devils the protecting friends of disbeliveers. 7:27
148. Disbelievers choose devils as protecting friends and believe they are rightly guided. 7:30
149. Only believers go to heaven. 7:32
150. Allah forbids beliefs that he hasn't revealed (i.e., all non-muslim beliefs). 7:33
151. Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire. 7:36
152. Disbelief is the greatest evil. 7:37
153. Disbelievers will be excluded from heaven. Theirs will be a bed of hell. 7:40-41
154. Those in the fire will be taunted by those in the Garden. "So how's it going down there? Are you enjoying the warmth of the Fire?" 7:44
155. Those in the Fire will cry out to those in heaven, saying: "Pour water on us." But Allah has forbidden that to disbelievers. 7:50
156. Those who forget Allah will be forgotten (sent to hell) on Judgement Day. 7:51
157. Serve Allah or go to hell. 7:59
158. Allah drowned everyone on earth (except Noah and his family) because they disbelieved. 7:64
159. Disbelievers are liars. 7:66
160. Those who believe incorrectly will face the terror and wrath of Allah. 7:71
161. "We cut the root of those who denied Our revelations and were not believers." 7:72
162. Allah killed the disbelievers with an earthquake. 7:78
163. Allah killed everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah except Lot and his daughters.
7:83-84
164. "So the earthquake seized them."
Allah killed the disbelievers with an earthquake. 7:90-91
165. "Then We seized them unawares, when they perceived not."
Unbelievers are never safe from Allah's wrath. 7:95-99
166. "How can I sorrow for a people that rejected (truth)?"
Shu'eyb tells the Allah's victims that they deserved to die for rejecting Islam. 7:93
167. "We drowned them in the sea: because they denied Our revelations." 7:136
168. Allah will destroy non-muslim cultures. 7:138-9
169. "Those who deny Our revelations and the meeting of the Hereafter, their works are fruitless." 7:147
170. Those who worship the calf will suffer terror and humiliation from Allah. 7:152
171. "Those who believe in him, and honour him, and help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him: they are the successful." 7:157
172. "But those of them who ... changed the word ... We sent down upon them wrath from heaven." 7:162
173. "When they forgot that whereof they had been reminded, We ... visited [them] with dreadful punishment." 7:165
174. Allah turns Jews into apes! 7:166
175. Allah will punish the disbelieving Jews until the Day of Resurrection. 7:167
176. Those who deny Muhammad's revelations are like dogs. 7:176
177. Those who deny Muhammad's revelation are evil. 7:177
178. Stay away from those who blaspheme Allah's names. They will be punished for it. 7:180
179. Allah leads astray those who deny his revelations. 7:182-3
180. "Allah ... cut the root of the disbelievers."
Allah destroyed the unbelievers. 8:7
181. Allah will throw fear into the hearts of the disbelievers, and smite their necks and fingers. 8:12
182. Disbelievers will be tormented in the Fire. 8:14
183. When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell. 8:15-16
184. Those that the Muslims killed were not really killed by them. It was Allah who did the killing. 8:17
185. "The worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the deaf, the dumb, who have no sense [the non-muslims]." 8:22
186. Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve. 8:35
187. Those who disbelieve will be gathered into hell. 8:36
188. Fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. 8:39
189. The angels smite the face and backs of disbelievers, saying: "Taste the punishment of burning!" 8:50
190. The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers. 8:55
191. Don't let the disbelievers think they can escape. They are your enemy and the enemy of Allah. 8:59-60
192. Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence. 8:65
193. A prophet may not take captives until he has made a slaughter in the land. 8:67
194. Disbelievers cause confusion and "corruption in the land." 8:73
195. "Ye cannot escape Allah. Allah will confound the disbelievers." 9:2
196. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve. 9:3
197. Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 9:5
198. Those who submit and convert to Islam will be treated well. (Those who don't submit will be killed. See previous verse.) 9:6
199. Don't make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted. 9:7-9
200. Treat converts to Islam well. (Kill those who refuse to convert. See 9:5) 9:11
201. Fight the disbelievers! Allah is on your side; he will give you victory. 9:12-14
202. Don't let idolaters tend the sanctuaries. Their works are in vain and they will be burned in the Fire. 9:17
203. Don't make be friends with with your disbelieving family members. Those who do so are wrong-doers. 9:23
204. Allah punished those who disbelieved. 9:26
205. Only idolaters are unclean. Keep them away from your places of worship. 9:28
206. Fight against Christians and Jews "until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low." 9:29
207. Christians and Jews are perverse. Allah himself fights against them. 9:30
208. The "Religion of Truth" (Islam) must prevail, by force if necessary, over all other religions. 9:33
209. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis. 9:34
210. Allah does not guide the disbelievers. 9:37
211. Fight for Allah with your wealth and whatever weapons are available to you. 9:41
212. Those who refuse to fight for Allah (claiming they are unable) are liars who have destroyed their souls. 9:42
213. Disbelievers go to hell. 9:49
214. "Allah will afflict you with a doom from Him or at our hands." 9:52
215. Pay your contribution willingly. Allah will not accept a contribution from disbelievers or idlers. 9:53
216. Those who vex the Prophet, for them there is a painful doom. 9:60
217. Allah is only pleased by true believers. 9:62
218. Those who oppose Allah and His messenger will burn in the fire of hell. 9:63
219. Allah promises hypocrites and disbelievers the fire of hell. Allah curses them. They will have a lasting torment. 9:68
220. Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway. 9:73
221. Allah will afflict disbelievers with a painful doom in this world and the Hereafter. 9:74
222. God will not forgive disbelievers, so don't ask. 9:80
223. Those who refuse to give their wealth and lives to Allah will face the fire of hell. 9:81-83
224. Don't pray for dead disbelievers or attend their funerals. 9:84
225. Those who refuse to fight for Allah will be treated (along with their children) as unbelievers. 9:85
226. For disbelievers there will be a painful doom. 9:90
227. Non-muslim who pretend to believe (so they won't be killed by Muslims) are unclean and will go to hell. 9:95
228. The unbelieving Arabs will be punished by Allah with an evil fortune. 9:97-98
229. "We shall chastise them twice; then they will be relegated to a painful doom." 9:101
230. Stay away from non-Muslims. They are all liars. 9:107
231. Those that ignore Allah will be thown into the fire of hell. 9:109
232. Believers must fight for Allah. They must kill and be killed , and are bound to do so by the Torah, Gospel, and Quran. But Allah will reward them for it. 9:111
233. Don't pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of hell-fire. 9:113
234. Abraham disowned his father for being an enemy of Allah. 9:114
235. Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 9:123
236. Disbelievers are wicked and have diseased hearts. 9:125
237. Allah turns away those who misunderstand him. 9:127
238. Disbelievers will have a boiling drink and a painful doom. 10:4
239. Those who neglect Allah's revelations will make their home in the Fire. 10:7-8
240. Allah has destoyed entire generations. 10:13
241. Denying the revelations of Allah is the worst sin imaginable. 10:17
242. On the last day Allah will kill all the disbelievers (and then he will torture them forever in hell). 10:45
243. Those who disbelieved will face a dreadful doom. 10:70
244. Allah drowned those who disbelieved his revelations. 10:73
245. Moses asked Allah to harden the hearts of the Egyptians so that they would not believe until they saw the painful doom. 10:88
246. If you deny the revelations of Allah, you will be among the losers and will "see the painful doom." 10:95-97
247. Disbelievers will end up in the Fire. 11:17
248. Those who oppose Islam and disbelieve in the Hereafter are guilty of the greatest wrong. 11:18-19
249. Allah sent a lasting doom on those who mocked Noah. 11:39
250. Those who drowned in the flood were disbelievers. 11:42
251. Allah will send a painful doom on several nations. 11:48
252. "What shall be his reward, who wisheth evil to thy folk, save prison or a painful doom?" 12:25
253. Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire 13:5
254. Allah does not hear the prayer of disbelievers. 13:14
255. Those who do not answer Allah's call will go to hell. 13:18
256. Disbelievers will be tormented in this life, and suffer even more pain in the Hereafter. 13:33-34
257. The reward for disbelievers is the Fire. 13:35
258. Woe unto the disbelievers. Theirs will be an awful doom. 14:2
259. "Lo! for wrong-doers is a painful doom." 14:22
260. "They set up rivals to Allah that they may mislead (men) from His way. Say: Enjoy life (while ye may) for lo! your journey's end will be the Fire." 14:30
261. Let the disbelievers enjoy life and let false hope beguile them. They will come to know! 15:2-3
262. Iblis will lead humans astray. Only perfect Muslims will be safe from him. The rest will go to hell. 15:39-43
263. Those who don't believe in the Hereafter are proud. 16:22
264. Allah made a roof fall in to kill unbelievers. "And the doom came on them whence they knew not." 16:26
265. Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever. 16:27-29
266. Disbelievers are liars. 16:39
267. Theirs will be the Fire, and they will be abandoned." 16:62
268. "Theirs will be a painful doom." 16:63
269. Allah will add doom to doom for those who disbelieve. 16:88
270. Those who oppose Islam will face an awful doom. 16:94
271. Those who loose their faith in Islam will face an awful doom. Allah's wrath is upon them. 16:106
272. Those who invent lies against Allah will have a painful doom. 16:116-7
273. Allah made hell to be a dungeon for disbelievers. 17:8
274. Allah has prepared a painful doom for those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 17:10
275. Allah destroyed entire towns. 17:16
276. How many generations Allah has destroyed since Noah! 17:17
277. Allah intends to burn people in hell. 17:18
278. "Set not up with Allah any other god, lest thou be cast into hell." 17:39
279. Allah makes it so that unbelievers cannot understand. 17:45-46
280. Allah will send disbelievers astray. Then he'll burn them in hell, increasing the flames from time to time. 17:97-98
281. "He maketh none to share in His government."
Democracy is heresy. Allah shares his government with no one. 18:26
282. Allah has prepared a Fire for the disbelievers. When they want a shower, Allah will give them a shower of molten lead to burn their faces. 18:29
283. Christians will cry out to Allah's "partners", but they won't hear them; Allah will send them to their doom. 18:52
284. The worst wrong is to forget Allah's revelations. Allah covers their hearts and makes them deaf so that they will never believe the truth. 18:57
285. On a certain day, Allah will present hell, in plain view, to the disbelievers. 18:100
286. Allah will welcome the disbelievers into hell. 18:102
287. The good works of disbelievers are all in vain. They will go to hell anyway. 18:104-105
288. Hell is the reward for disbelievers because they made a jest of Allah's revelations and messengers. 18:106
289. "Woe unto the disbelievers from the meeting of an awful Day."
Jesus was not the Son of God. Those who say he was (Christians) are going to hell. 19:35-37
290. Allah will pluck out from every sect those who should burn in hell. 19:69-70
291. Allah will prolong the lives of non-believers so they can see their punishment, either in this world or in the Hour of doom. 19:75
292. Allah will record what disbelievers say and then prolong their torment. 19:77-79
293. Allah has sent the devils on the disbelievers to confuse them. 19:83
294. Allah will "drive the guilty unto hell, a weary herd." 19:86
295. Lo! it hath been revealed unto us that the doom will be for him who denieth and turneth away." 20:48
296. Those who do not believe Allah's revelations will face doom in the Hereafter. 20:127
297. Allah destroyed entire towns, yet the people still disbelieved. 21:6
298. "And one of them who should say: Lo! I am a god beside Him, that one We should repay with hell." 21:29
299. Disbelievers will not be able to put out the fire on their faces and backs. They will be stupefied and no one will help them. 21:39-40
300. The disbelievers will stare in terror at what Allah has in store for them. 21:97-99
301. Those who turn from the way of Allah will face ignominy in this world and burning in the next. 22:9
302. Whoever thinks that Allah will not give Muhammad victory should go hang himself. 22:15
303. Disbelievers will wear garments of fire, boiling fluid will be poured on their heads, their bellies and skin will be melted, they will be tormented with iron hooks, and when they try to escape they will be driven back with the taunt: Taste the doom of burning. 22:19-22
304. Allah will provide the disbelievers with a painful doom. 22:25
305. Those who disregard Allah's revelations are the owners of the Fire. 22:51
306. "Those who disbelieve will not cease to be in doubt thereof until the Hour come upon them unawares, or there come unto them the doom of a disastrous day." 22:55
307. Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have a shameful doom. 22:57
308. Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will burn in the Fire. 22:72
309. Those who don't believe in the Hereafter will receive extreme punishment from Allah. 23:74-77
310. Disbelievers will not be successful. 23:117
311. Those who traduce virtuous, believing women ... cursed are they in the world and the Hereafter. Theirs will be an awful doom." 24:23
312. Disbelievers are miscreants. 24:55
313. Disbelievers will never escape the Fire that will be their home. 24:57
314. The only true believers are those who believe in Allah and his messenger. 24:62
315. Those who deny the coming of the Hour will be chained together and burned with fire. They will pray for their own destruction. 25:11-13
316. It will be a hard day for disbelievers and wrong-doers. They will gnaw on their hands and wish they had chosen Islam. 25:26-27
317. Those who deny Muhammad's revelations will be destroyed. 25:36
318. Allah drowned everyone in the flood of Noah, and has prepared a painful doom for evil-doers. 25:37
319. "They [the non-muslims] will know, when they behold the doom, who is more astray as to the road." 25:42
320. Don't obey disbelievers. But rather fight against them. 25:52
321. Those who cry out to another god with Allah will be tormented doubly in hell. 25:68-69
322. Many will not believe until they see the painful doom. 26:201
323. Those who believe in another god are doomed. 26:213
324. Stay away from poets. The erring follow them. 26:224
325. Allah leads those who do not believe in the Hereafter astray by making things work out OK in this life, so that he can torment them forever in the next. They will get the worst punishment and will be the greatest losers. 27:4-5
326. But he "saved those who believed." 27:53
327. Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined? 28:62-64
328. Never help disbelievers. 28:86
329. Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah have no hope of mercy. For such there is a painful doom. 29:23
330. "Ye have chosen only idols instead of Allah ... on the Day of Resurrection ye will deny each other and curse each other, and your abode will be the Fire, and ye will have no helpers." 29:25
331. Only wrong-doers deny the revelations of Allah. 29:49
332. Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah are the losers. 29:52
333. The doom of hell will come upon disbelievers suddenly, when they least expect it. 29:53-55
334. The worst thing you can do is tell a lie about Allah. Hell is the home of disbelievers. 29:68
335. When the Hour comes, Christians will be divided into two groups: Those who believed Allah's revelations, and those who disbelieved in them. The believers will be happy in the Garden; the disbelievers will be brought to doom. 30:13-16
336. Allah does not love disbelievers. 30:45
337. Allah seals the heart of disbelievers. (And then he burns them in the Fire.) 30:59
338. Those who mislead others from Allah's way and mock Islam will have a painful doom. 31:6-7
339. Allah will give disbelievers a little comfort for a little while, and then he'll torment them forever with a heavy doom. 31:23-24
340. Allah will fill hell with the jinn and mankind together. 32:13
341. Allah: Taste the doom of immortality because of what ye used to do. 32:14
342. Those who used to deny the Fire will be tormented in it forever. 32:20
343. The worst thing you can do is to deny the revelations of Allah. 32:22
344. Don't obey disbelievers. 33:1
345. He hath prepared a painful doom for the unfaithful." 33:8
346. Allah makes the deeds of unbelievers fruitless. 33:19
347. Allah cast panic into the hearts of the disbelievers. He killed some, and enslaved others. 33:25-26
348. Ignore disbelievers and their poisonous talk. 33:48
349. Those who malign Allah, Muhammad, and Muslims will be cursed by Allah in this life and with doom in the Hereafter. 33:57
350. Those who oppose Islam will be slain with a fierce slaughter. 33:60-61
351. Allah has cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a flaming fire, wherein they will abide forever. 33:64-65
352. The disbelievers will be burned in the Fire with a double torment. 33:66-68
353. Those who challenge the revelations of Muhammad will have a painful doom. 34:5
354. "They are filled with remorse when they behold the doom; and We place carcans on the necks of those who disbelieved." 34:33
355. Those who disbelieve in the Hereafter will be tormented. 34:8
356. Those who strive against Allah's revelations will be brought to the doom. 34:38
357. Allah hates those who ignore his messengers. 34:45
358. Those who ignore Allah's messenger (Muhammed) will face a terrific doom. 34:46
359. Those who are cast into hell be terrified when they see that they have no escape. Then they will believe. But it will be too late. 34:51-52
360. Those who disbelieve will have an awful doom. 35:7
361. Allah hates disbelievers. 35:26
362. Disbelievers will burn forever in the fire of hell. Allah will keep them alive so that he can torture them forever. When they repent and ask for mercy, he will ignore them. 35:36-7
363. He who disbelieves, his disbelief be on his own head. 35:39
364. Allah has blinded the disbelievers so that they cannot see the truth. So it don't bother warning them. They will go to hell anyway. 36:8-10
365. Allah will burn the disbelievers in hell. 36:63-4
366. Those who refuse to believe in Muhammad's revelations will face a painful doom. 37:31-38
367. If you're not favored by Allah, you're doomed. 37:57
368. Allah drowned everyone except Noah and his family in the flood. 37:82
369. Only the "single-minded slaves of Allah" will be saved from the doom. 37:127-8
370. Allah killed everyone in Sodom except for Lot and his family. 37:136
371. No one is against Allah, except those who burn in hell. 37:162-3
372. Just wait a while and watch. The unbelievers will soon be destroyed in the doom. 37:176-9
373. Those who disbelieve are in false pride and schism. 38:2
374. Allah has destroyed many generations. 38:3
375. Those who doubt will soon taste Allah's doom. 38:8
376. Those who deny the messengers deserve doom. 38:14
377. Those who wander from the way of Allah will have an awful doom. 38:26
378. Those who disbelieve will burn in the Fire. 38:27
379. Tell the disbelievers to enjoy themselves now, because later they will be owners of the Fire. 39:8
380. Those who disobey Allah should fear his doom. 39:13
381. No one will be able to help those that Allah torments in the Fire. 39:19
382. Woe unto those who forget Allah. They are in plain error. 39:22
383. The doom will come upon those who deny what Allah has revealed. 39:25
384. Allah will make non-believers "taste humiliation in the life of the world" and " the doom of the Hereafter" which will be even worse. 39:26
385. The worst thing you can do is tell a lie against Allah. The home of disbelievers is hell. 39:32
386. Surrender to Allah before he sends the doom upon you suddenly. 39:54-55
387. Disbelievers had their chance to believe. They will all suffer in an endless doom. 39:56-59
388. Those who lie about Allah will be sent to hell and will have their faces blackened. 39:60
389. Losers are those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah. 39:63
390. Those ascribe a partner to Allah (like the Christians) will be among the losers. 39:65
391. Those who disbelieve will be driven into hell. 39:71-72
392. Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 40:6
393. Allah greatly abhors those who disbelieve. 40:10
394. Those who ignore Allah's "clear proofs" will be seized and punished severely. 40:22
395. Those in hell will beg to be relieved from the Fire's torment for just a day. But the prayer of a disbeliever is in vain. 40:49-50
396. Those who bicker about Allah's revelations are filled with pride. 40:56
397. Those who scorn Allah will go to hell. 40:60
398. Those who deny the revelations of Allah are perverted. 40:63
399. Those who deny the Scripture and Allah's messengers will be dragged through boiling water and thrust into the Fire. 40:70-72
400. Allah will taunt the Christians in hell, saying: Where are all my parnters that you used to believe in? 40:73
401. Thus does Allah send astray the disbelievers (in his guidance). 40:74
402. Those who scorn will go to hell. 40:76
403. When they see Allah's doom they will believe in Allah. But their faith will not save them. The disbelievers will be ruined. 40:84-85
404. Woe unto the idolaters who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 41:6
405. The enemies of Allah will be gathered into the Fire where their skin, ears, and eyes will testify against them. 41:19-20
406. Non-muslims will be tormented forever in the Fire. Allah will not have any mercy on them. 41:24
407. Allah will make those who disbelieve taste an awful doom. Their immortal home will be the Fire, since they denied Allah's revelations. 41:27-28
408. "Lo! those who distort Our revelations are not hid from Us. Is he who is hurled into the Fire better?" 41:40
409. Those who disbelieve will taste hard punishment. 41:50
410. In whatsoever ye differ, the verdict therein belongeth to Allah."
Disputes, whether religious or political, must be decided by Allah. Democracy is not an option. 42:10
411. Those who argue about Allah will have his wrath upon them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 42:16
412. "And as for disbelievers, theirs will be an awful doom." 42:26
413. Allah sends some people astray and then punishes them for it by burning them in the Fire. 42:44-46
414. Those who turn people away from Islam will "be sharers in the doom." 43:37-39
415. "But they will come to know."
Allah will torment disbelievers forever in hell. 43:88-89
416. Those in torment will claim to believe and ask Allah for relief. But he will refuse since they will return to their disbelief. 44:11-16
417. "He hath saved them [Muslims] from the doom of hell."
(Everyone else is going to hell.) 44:56
418. Those who hear and reject Allah's revelations are sinful liars. Give them tidings of a painful doom. 45:7-8
419. Those who joke about Allah's revelations will go to hell. Theirs will be a shameful doom. 45:9-10
420. Those who disbelieve in Allah's revelations will have a awful doom of wrath. 45:11
421. Those who disbelieve are guilty folk. 45:31
422. Disbelievers will be rewarded with the ignominious doom of the Fire. 46:20
423. Serve only Allah or face the doom of a tremendous day. 46:21
424. If you believe Muhammed, Allah will forgive some of your sins and protect you from the painful doom (that he plans to torture everyone else with). 46:31
425. Allah will taunt the disbelievers that he torments in the fire, saying: "Taste the doom for that ye disbelieved." 46:34
426. Allah makes the works of disbelievers vain. 47:1
427. Those who disbelieve follow falsehood. 47:3
428. Smite the necks of the disbelievers whenever you fight against them. Those who die fighting for Allah will be rewarded. 47:4
429. Allah will damn the disbelievers and make all their actions fruitless. 47:8-9
430. Disbelievers may eat and be happy now, but the Fire will be their final home. 47:12
431. Those who turn away from Islam, and obey non-Muslims in some things, have been seduced by Satan. 47:25-26
432. Angels will gather them together and smite their faces and backs. 47:27
433. Allah will make the actions those who disbelieve fruitless. 47:32
434. Those who disbelieve will never be pardoned by Allah. 47:34-35
435. Those who think an evil thought concerning Allah will be cursed and sent to hell by him. 48:6
436. Allah has prepared a flame for the disbelievers. 48:13
437. If you refuse to fight for Allah, he will punish you with a painful doom. 48:16
438. "Whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom." 48:17
439. Allah punished those who disbelieved with a painful punishment. 48:25
440. Allah will "cause it [Islam] to prevail over all religion." 48:28
441. Those with Muhammad are ruthless toward disbelievers and merciful toward themselves. 48:29
442. Allah will hurl those who believe in another god into a dreadful doom. 50:26
443. Accursed are the conjecturers who ask: When is the Day of Judgment? It is the day they will be tormented by the Fire. 51:10-14
444. "We left behind therein a portent for those who fear a painful doom." 51:37
445. Woe to the disbelievers. 51:60
446. Those who deny the existence of hell will be thrust into its Fire. 52:11-16
447. "Their Lord hath warded off from them the torment of hell-fire."
(Everyone else is going to hell -- and the believers are all okay with that.) 52:18
448. Those who disbelieve are trapped. 52:42
449. Those who disbelieve in the afterlife give female names to angels. 53:27
450. Those who disbelieve in the afterlife are only guessing and have no real knowledge. 53:29
451. Stay away from non-Muslims, especially those who disbelieve in the afterlife. 53:29
452. Allah sent a storm of stones on Lot's folk, killing all but Lot's family. 54:34
453. The guilty deny hell. But after they die they go circling between it and fierce, boiling water. 55:43-44
454. Those who deny Allah and the Hereafter will eat from the Zaqqum tree and drink boiling water. 56:51-54
455. Allah will welcome the rejecters and erring with boiling water and a roasting in the hell fire. 56:92-94
456. Those who disbelieve or doubt the revelations of Allah will be face the doom. 57:13-14
457. The home of disbelievers is the Fire, a hapless journey's end. 57:15
458. Those who disbelieve and deny Allah's revelations are the owners of the fire. 57:19
459. For disbelievers is a painful doom. 58:4
460. For disbelievers is a shameful doom. 58:5
461. Those who disobey Muhammed will go to hell. 58:8
462. Don't make friends with Allah's enemies. For those who do so, Allah has prepared a dreadful doom. 58:14-15
463. Those who turn others away from the way of Allah will have a shameful doom. They are rightful owners of the Fire. 58:16-17
464. Those who oppose Allah and His Messenger will be among the lowest. 58:20
465. On the Last Day good Muslims will not love their non-Muslim friends and family members, not even their fathers, sons, or brothers (or their mothers, daughters, or sisters). 58:22
466. Allah cast fear into the hearts of the disbelieving People of the Scripture. Their home in the Hereafter will be the Fire. 59:2-3
467. "Whatsoever the messenger giveth you, take it. And whatsoever he forbiddeth, abstain (from it)."
Do whatever Muhammad tells you to do. (Or you'll go to hell.) 59:7
468. The disbelieving people of the Scripture are liars. 59:11
469. The disbelievers fear the believers more than Allah. 59:13
470. The devil and disbelievers will be in the Fire. 59:16-17
471. The owners of the Garden and the owners of the Fire are not equal. 59:20
472. Don't be friends with disbelievers. They are your (and Allah's) enemy. 60:1
473. Don't be friends with those who have warred against you because of religion. Whoever makes friends with them is a wrong-doer. 60:9
474. Don't be friends with those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. They are Allah's enemies. 60:13
475. The worst thing you can do is tell a lie about Allah. 61:7
476. Allah gave Muhammad the one true religion and sent him to conquer all other (false) religions. 61:9
477. "O ye who believe! Shall I show you a commerce that will save you from a painful doom?" 61:10
478. A hypocritical Jew looks like an ass carrying books. Those who deny the revelations of Allah are ugly. 62:5
479. Allah seals the hearts of those who believe and then disbelieve so that they can understand nothing. 63:3
480. Disbelievers are perverted. They are the enemy, confounded by Allah. 63:4
481. Don't bother to ask Allah to forgive the disbelievers. He will never forgive them. 63:6
482. "Might belongeth to Allah and to His messenger and to the believers." 63:8
483. Those who disbelieve will have a painful doom. 64:5
484. Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 64:10
485. Be stern with disbelievers. They are going to Hell anyway. 66:9
486. Disbelievers will go to hell where they will hear its roaring and boiling. 67:6-7
487. Who will protect the disbelievers from a painful doom? (Nobody) 67:28
488. Refuse to obey the "rejecters" (Non-Muslims?) who seek compromise 68:8-9
489. Those who consider the Quran to be "mere fables" will be branded on the nose.68:15-16
490. "Shall We then treat those who have surrendered (Muslims) as We treat the guilty (Non-Muslims)?" 68:35
491. Those who do not believe in Allah will be chained up and cast into hell-fire where they will eat filth. 69:30-35
492. Doom is about to fall on all disbelievers. Only worshippers (Muslims) and those who preserve their chastity (except with their wives and slave girls) will be spared from "the fires of hell" that are "eagar to roast." 70:1-30
493. "Lo! the doom of their Lord is that before which none can feel secure" (except for maybe those who are fearful of it). 70:27-28
494. Disbelievers will enter hell with frantic with fear, knowing they will be tortured forever by Allah. 70:36, 44
495. Allah sent Noah to warn people about the painful doom he was planning to send. (It didn't work out well; Allah sent it anyway.) 71:1
496. Noah asked Allah to drown all the disbelievers. 71:26
497. The fires of hell will be fueled with the bodies of idolators and unbelievers. They will experience an ever-greater torment. 72:15-17
498. Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will dwell forever in the fire of hell. 72:23
499. Allah will take care of the deniers. He will tie them up, burn them in a raging fire, and feed them food that chokes them. 73:11-13
500. The last day will be a day of anguish for disbelievers. 74:9-10
501. Those who are stubborn to Allah's revelations will face a fearful doom. 74:16-17
502. Allah has appointed angels to tend the Fire and has prepared stumbling blocks for those who disbelieve. He sends some people (whoever he wants) astray. 74:31
503. Those who pay attention to this life and ignore the Hereafter will suffer forever in hell. 75:20-29
504. Allah has prepared chains, manacles, and a raging fire for the disbelievers. 76:4
505. Don't obey disbelievers. 76:24
506. Woe unto the repudiators on that day! 77:19, 77:24, 77:28, 77:34, 77:40, 77:45, 77:49
507. Depart unto that doom which ye used to deny." 77:29
508. Those who deny the revelations given to Muhammed will burn forever in hell. 78:21-30
509. "Lo! We warn you of a doom at hand, a day whereon a man will look on that which his own hands have sent before, and the disbeliever will cry: 'Would that I were dust!'" 78:40
510. Those who rebel by choosing this life over the next will go to hell. 79:37-39
511. Disbelievers are wicked people. On the last day they will be in darkness and have dust on their faces. 80:40-42
512. Those who reject Allah's revelations will burn in hell. 83:10-17
513. The disbelievers used to laugh at the believers. But the final laugh will be on them. 83:29-36
514. Disbelievers will be given a painful doom. 84:22-24
515. Those who persecute Muslims, without repenting, will burn in hell. 85:10
516. Allah plots against non-Muslims. 86:16
517. "Deal gently with them (non-Muslims) for a while. (How long is "a while"?) 86:17
518. Allah will punish disbelievers with the direst punishment. 88:23-24
519. Allah poured the disaster of His punishment upon those who rebelled against him. 89:11-13
520. Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have the Fire placed over them like an awning. 90:19-20
521. Those who deny Allah's revelations must endure the flaming fire. 92:14-16
522. Allah created humans to be "of best stature" but then reduced them "to the lowest of the low". Except for "those who believe and do good works." But what about those who don't believe but do good works? Are they the "lowest of the low"? 95:4-6
523. Allah will grab those who deny His guidance by the forelock and call the guards of hell. 96:13-18
524. Those who disbelieve will abide in the fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings. 98:6
525. Only religious people help orphans or those in need. 107:1-3
526. "I seek refuge ... from the evil of malignant witchcraft."
(Witchcraft is evil.) 113:4
Lovely stuff. Respect away. hitler's book is kind, tolerant and progressive in comparison. He should have asserted a new god. Then, the respect brigade would defend him. People like me would think him a jackass regardless. That's why we're better. |
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| Im saying that ALL Literature has real live truth as any to be found in any religious text Qur'an or otherwise, and the religious texts are ultimately literature that a group of people conciously create as their central authority. The only difference between literature and and religious text is that one level of truth operates at a more surface level for some than others. The idea that they are seperate is an illusion. |
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send me an email when you save the world ubermensch |
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| The only difference between literature and and religious text is that one level of truth operates at a more surface level for some than others. The idea that they are seperate is an illusion. |
How stupid.
Shakespeare did not assert that the Merchant of Venice was the word of god.
Are you high right now? |
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You are not so ignorant to compare the influence and work of an author of fictitious stories to the influence of Mohammed 'the perfect man' in the eyes of Muslims (whose deeds must be emulated), who had sex with a 8 year old girl when he was fifty (thus providing present-day justification for child marriage), assasinated political opponents, called for the death of apostates, and authored a book that commands its adherents to conquer the world and subjugate the infidel?
By the way, I met plenty of misguided communists at University and most of them were nice people. However, I do not have a 'profound respect' for communism. |
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How many people are currently slaughtering Jews because of the influence of the Merchant of Venice?
How many Muslims are slaughtering infidels while screaming 'Allah hu Akbar' and justifying Jihad by reference to the 'progressive' Mohammed?
Seriously, stop posting. You are looking increasingly foolish. |
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send me an email when you save the world ubermensch |
Funny, but ubermensch is a term associated with hitler, though he is not the source, and it was used incorrectly.
Interesting how the tolerance brigade, when backed into a corner and defending the genocidal madness that is islam, use points of reference from nazi Germany. They don't see that they are defending an idea equal to or worse in horribleness to the ideas that gave birth to nazi Germany. It is the "throw shit and see what sticks game".
I support humanity. If a book says it is the word of god and promptly goes into a hundred page rant about how the vast majority of the world population deserve to die, I don't like it. I sure as shit don't respect it. I guess that is intolerant. So be it. |
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whether its asserted by God or insinuated by a writer as far as I am concernced is irrelevent. I respect a text insofar as I derive value from it in my life whether that value is derived directly or through the value others percieve. In my prism of reality is what is primary. What value others draw on it who are not in my sphere is less relevent to those within my sphere.
If a muslim helps fix my car that is more relevent to me than if I see a news story that a muslim community has stoned a girl to death. Both effect my perception, one effects me greater.
Im arguing my beliefs about how I see the world. The Qur'an is just literature to me. I respect it as literature and as the book that has made my muslim friends (according to them) good people.
Your attempting to argue that the Qur'an is objectivly bad.
Im argueing that Qur'an is subjectivly worthy of respect. |
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it wasnt from Nazi germany. It was from Nietzche. Like the swastika it was--- missapropriated so to speak?
The Merchant of Venice came from a culture of Jew Killing ghettoization that has its roots in the New testament. |
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Every muslim I have ever met has asserted he was "special" but hardly perfect.
Ive heard many historians cite that Joseph was in his late forties an Mary 13-15 at the time.
child marriage while wrong today has had WIDE WIDE practice for much of human history. |
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But to Muslims it is the unaltered word of Allah, relevant for all times, and the fact that you cannot distinguish between this and the Merchant of Venice is rather worrying.
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Much like Mein Kampf and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, other great literary works, no doubt deserving of not just your respect, but your 'profound respect'.
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One of those deeds has no relevance vis-a-vis the teachings of Islam, the other does. See the difference? A Nazi could fix your car, and that would tell you nothing of whether the Nazi value system was one that was worthy of respect or admiration. |
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The fact that you seem unable to distinguish between those great numbers in the islamic who have a more wholistic and nuanced reading of the Qur'an and who have been inspired by that book to commit great acts of mercy and kindness because of it, versus thouse who have a narrow and vitriolic reading of the Qur'an, infulenced more by their social situations I find extremely worrying.
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why are those great literary works? Because they support your argument? Neither one has really brought ANYTHING positive to the table. MEANWHILE The Qur'an has brought a great many positive things to the table. The civilization that Mohammed found became the bastion of Tolerence for Jews and Protestants seeking an escape from mass killing of Catholic Europe. It was Moorish Spain where creativity and thought flourished. It was the Red Crescent allied with teh Red Cross that came from the Qur'anic proclomations to do mercy. Muslims around the world are involved in great charitable trusts, even in the US. Volunteering to help others because they believe the Qur'an comands them. People have following the Qur'an have derived a great peace and strength to live in tough times.
Im not saying there arent passages in the Qur'an that arent disturbing and Im not saying that there arent extreme muslims in the world that need to be dealt with Extreme prejudence. But the majority of the Qur'an is about mercy and love, and the majority of muslims in this world arent findementalist fanatics.
I dont judge a work or a people by its most extreme interpretation. If I took all the Old testament vitriol and pasted it on a wall it would be far longer than anything you have seen in teh Qur'an VERY easily. If I used that to judge and dispose of the book then I would lose, Ecclesiastes and the Song of Solomon, Proverbs, Wisdom, and Pslams. I would be without the inspirational parts of Exodus that helped form the civil rights movement and without the Wisdom of Solomon. If I used the most hate-filled ravings of St Paul and the Book of Revelation, extremely creative in its desruction of unbelievers than I would also lose Corinthians and Sermon on the Mount, the Parable of the Sower and the Good Samaritan.
The US Constitution is one of the greatest documents in the history of mankind should I junk it because it contains a provision legalizing the slave trade?
The Catholic Church has killed far more people one could argue, than the Islam. Its has repressed free thought for 1,000s of years. But it has also given western civilization more culture than just about any institution. Its helped form the bedrock of what the western world is and has transformed itself into one of the largest charitable organizations on the planet.
Islam is no different.
I reject your arguments because they zero in on an extremely narrow reading of a text and people, rather a more nuanced understanding of things.
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Im not going to be as obnoxious as you and simply post a huge list of a great many repitions, many of which are out of context for instance this one:
"And kill them wherever you catch them and drive them out"
sounds rough but here is the whole part
"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not
transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors. And kill them wherever you catch them and drive them out from whence they drove you out, for terrorism is worse than killing. But do not engage in combat with them at the sacred mosque unless they engage you in combat there. But if they combat against you, kill them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. And combat them on until there is no more terrorism or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. But if they cease, don't let there be hostility except to those who practice oppression."
[Surah al-Baqarah: 190-193]
Thus stating that its only acceptable to kill and fight in the event that they oppress first. Islam was a religion founded under seige. It has a seige mentality but thats not the whole purpose of my post:
"So if they dispute with you, say 'I have submitted my whole self to Allah, and so have those who follow me.' And say to the People of the Scripture and to the unlearned: 'Do you also submit yourselves?' If they do, then they are on right guidance. But if they turn away, your duty is only to convey the Message. And in Allah's sight are all of His servants." [Surah Al `Imran: 20]
"If it had been your Lord's will, all of the people on Earth would have believed. Would you then compel the people so to have them believe?" [Surah Yunus: 99]
"Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things." [Surah al-Baqarah: 256]
"Do not despair of the mercy of Allah; surely Allah forgives all the sins, because He is Forgiving and Merciful". (39:53)
�Good and evil are not alike. Repel evil with what is better. Then he, between whom and you there was hatred, will become as though he was a bosom friend.� (Quran 41:34)
�Whoever kills a person who has a truce with the Muslims will never smell the fragrance of Paradise.� (Saheeh Muslim)
(hadith)
�Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, or curtails their rights, or burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment.� (Abu Dawud) (hadith)
�...And act justly. Truly, God loves those who are just.� (Quran 49:9)
�...And let not the hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be just: that is nearer to piety....� (Quran 5:
There are many others. But I dont need to be as obnoxious and take an entire webpage. |
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What I find rather odd about this turn in the debate is that Streetgang started out basically agreeeing with Mises et al on the question of Sharia...
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Giving that certain fundamentalist believers take the commandment that apostasy of the Islamic faith is punishable by death, and considering that there are Muslims who choose not to see it in the historical context of Islam as a "nation and country" rather than as a religion WITHIN a seperate country, how would the legal system of the UK react to a circumstance wherin death is proclaimed for a Muslim who converts to Judaism or Anglicanism or Buddhism, what have you.
This is of course, very extreme.
But what of divorce cases? What if one party dislikes the sharia court rulings? Can they then appeal to the civil court?
What about the levying of taxes? If an ex-muslim determines that he no longer wishes to pay the Zakat can the sharia court declare that due to his muslim ancestry he cannot "de-muslimize" himself and therefore by Sharia he MUST pay the Zakat?
Perhaps my American high school education is kicking in here but I remember Brown vs. Board of Education states that "seperate is inherently un-equal". The "seperate" itself did NOT have the caveat, "seperate is equal if certain parties like say, Uncle Rukus, SUPPORT seperation" but rather two seperate frameworks of law for two seperate groups of people WILL clash.
Countries are designed with one government in mind, and therefore it would stand to reason, one legal framework.
Next thing you know the Pentecostals will be outta the woodwork demanding the implementation of Mosaic law. The Catholics asking for Canon law, and the Buddhists denying and simultaneously subscribing to all laws. |
Unfortunately, everyone kind of got detoured by Streetgang's one sentence disclaimer at the beginning of that post...
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| I mean no disrespect to the Muslim faith of which I have a great and prfound respect however, this ruling begs the question |
For myself, I can respect, on moral grounds, a religious document that may have been progressive for its day, even if it wouldn't cut ice by our contemporary standards.
And I can respect, as a timeless quality, any aesthetic or literary merits that may be present in that document.
But I cannot support anyone who uses any outdated ethical instruction contained in such a document as a guide for life in the modern world, to be imposed on believers and non-believers alike. To what extent this describes the relation that the majority of Muslims have with the koran, I cannot say. Certainly there do seem to be Muslims, some of them high-profile, who do not treat the koran that way. |
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