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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| My guess is that Palin has a short shelf-life. |
Yeah, you would seem to be right about that.
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updated 8:09 a.m. ET Sept. 18, 2008
WASHINGTON - Despite an intense effort to distance himself from the way his party has done business in Washington, Senator John McCain is seen by voters as far less likely to bring change to Washington than Senator Barack Obama. Mr. McCain is widely viewed as a �typical Republican� who would continue or expand President Bush�s policies, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News Poll.
Polls taken after the Republican convention suggested that Mr. McCain had enjoyed a surge of support � particularly among white women after his selection of Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska as his running mate � but the latest poll indicates �the Palin effect� was, at least so far, a limited burst of interest.
The contest appears to be roughly where it was before the two conventions and before the vice presidential selections: Mr. Obama has the support of 48 percent of registered voters, compared with 43 percent for Mr. McCain, a difference within the poll�s margin of sampling error, and statistically unchanged from the tally in the last New York Times/CBS News Poll in mid-August.
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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Now with this HUGE economic/financial crisis...looks like Obama's numbers are rising again.
I think it is fairly safe to say that while Palin might be great for fear-mongerers, gun-nuts, evangelicals, conservative republican women, and some just regular folk mixed in among them...she sends shivers down the spines of anyone more interested in the economic interests of the country. |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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More Anti-Palin commie agiprop from the Liberal British Media Elite:
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US election: Troopergate findings may be delayed until after November 4
Witnesses signalled they would ignore subpoenas demanding they attend an Alaska senate judiciary hearing
Ewen MacAskill in Washington
guardian.co.uk, Friday September 19 2008 19:22 BST
Article history
The Republicans today effectively won their battle to delay the findings of the Troopergate investigation into Sarah Palin until after the White House election on November 4.
Her husband, Todd, and other witnesses signalled late yesterday they would ignore subpoenas demanding they attend an Alaska senate judiciary hearing into the affair in Anchorage today.
One of the Democrats on the committee, Bill Wielechowski, admitted that Todd Palin and the others could continue to refuse to testify for months without facing a penalty.
A lawyer for Todd Palin, Thomas van Flein, told the investigators the subpoena was "unduly burdensome" because he would be out on the campaign trail with his wife until election day.
"His scheduling obligations over the next two months will make it virtually impossible for him to prepare for and present the testimony called for in the subpoena at the specified location during that time period," Flein said in a letter.
The Republican vice-presidential candidate is under investigation over allegations that she improperly fired her public safety commissioner in July after he refused to sack a state trooper involved in an ugly divorce from her sister.
Wielechowski accused the John McCain campaign of "doing everything they can to delay" the investigation.
The senate had been due to complete its investigation and report by the middle of next month, potentially damaging for Palin and McCain.
A rebuke for Palin at that stage could have had an impact on a presidential race that is extremely tight, with poll after poll this week showing McCain and Barack Obama in a deadheat, both nationally and in the battlefield states.
Although some polls earlier this week suggested the Palin phenomenon was beginning to fade as a result of Troopergate and other revelations about her record as governor of Alaska, one of the most respected polling organisations in the US, the Pew Research Centre, published a survey today suggesting that the Republican party brand has regained some of its lustre for the first time in three years and that this can be attributed mainly to Palin.
This is a stunning turnaround given the extremely low favourability ratings of President George Bush, the unpopularity of the Iraq war and an economy in free fall..... |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/19/uselections2008.sarahpalin2
What are they implying in this article? That the Republican controlled Legislature in Alaska is cooperating with the McCain campaign and National Republican Committee to avoid answering questions? Nonsense! Republicans are strictly non-partisan. They are all just too busy campaigning for McCain to respond to a subpoena and answer questions. They have nothing to hide. And this will all come out after the election.
Alaskans and the American people are just going to wait. But Sarah Palin does have answers to all the Alaska's Legislature's questions. Secret answers. All will be revealed, after the election.
I'm voting for Sarah. What America needs to make it a great world power again is 1 billion Americans. And the quickest way to do that is to outlaw all birth control and abortions, plus lots of promiscuous teenagers. Palin-McCain in November!
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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I'm voting for Sarah.
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No, you're not. Nobody is. You vote for McCain or you vote for Obama, or you vote against either of them or you throw your vote away on a marginal fringe third-party.
That's the American system. And we like it that way.
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| No, you're not. Nobody is |
You are right. |
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MissSeoul
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: Somewhere in America
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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I'm voting for Sarah.
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No, you're not. Nobody is. You vote for McCain or you vote for Obama, or you vote against either of them or you throw your vote away on a marginal fringe third-party.
That's the American system. And we like it that way.
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Obama may be better for America/American, but Korea may be better off McCain as U.S president, so I wish McCain be a next president of America, I worry if Obama stand easy/soft on N.Korea issue. |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Obama may be better for America/American, but Korea may be better off McCain as U.S president, so I wish McCain be a next president of America, I worry if Obama stand easy/soft on N.Korea issue. |
N.Korea issue?
Do you really think North Korea will invade South Korea if Obama is elected?
What do you think would happen if Sarah Palin becomes president? That's what this thread is about.
Ever think that maybe Koreans should worry more about American import tariffs on Korean goods being raised because Korea rejected the FTA (not to mention the mad cow extortion protests)? Tacking on a few extra thousand dollars tariff per Korean car might have a far greater impact than anything North Korea could do to you. |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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More biased journalism masquerading as reporting from that Liberal Controlled Hippie Dippie Media Commune, the Associated Press:
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Palin probe has parallels to 2000 recount fight
By DAVID ESPO � 14 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AP) � This time, there are no hanging chads.
Yet the Republicans' drive to derail an abuse of power investigation against Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the GOP vice presidential candidate, reflects the same determination and many of the same methods employed in shutting down the 2000 presidential recount in Florida.
Now, as then, the playbook includes lawsuits, the exercise of power by sympathetic state officials, and appeals to the court of public opinion � all in an operation directed by out-of-state Republicans.
"Hold me accountable," Palin said when the Republican-controlled legislature launched the investigation in mid-August.
Now John McCain's running mate, she declines to cooperate. She calls the investigation tainted, her husband won't honor a subpoena to testify, and Republican lawmakers are in court with a pair of lawsuits challenging the legitimacy of the probe.
Republican lawyers, researchers and public relations specialists have been dispatched to Alaska. The Anchorage lawyer originally hired by the state to represent Palin is no longer paid by taxpayers and instead is part of the McCain-Palin campaign's legal team.
Former prosecutor Ed O'Callaghan, from New York, is the team's leading voice. "The investigation is no longer a legitimate investigation because it has been subjected to complete partisanship and does not operate with the authority that it had at the time of its initial authorization," he told reporters earlier in the week.
Even though lawmakers announced plans for new subpoenas on Friday, there appears little chance that investigator Stephen Branchflower will receive testimony from all the witnesses he seeks before his Oct. 10 target date for completion. |
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h1QK-1MBqB0z5YmCqDwmYzaotibwD93A1II00
I'm voting for Palin-McCain. What the country needs is some non-partisan Republican leadership that will bring America together again, just like it did in the good old Bush years. |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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If there is one person in the news media that even presidents don't mess with, it is Helen Thomas. She still packs quite a vicious bite. And so you will hear no snide remarks from me, either.
This is a person who was around for the Truman presidency, although she was not a White House correspondent at that point.
So she knows what she is talking about. It would be interesting to know what she really thinks about McCain-Palin.
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Palin, McCain add up to a continuation of Bush policies
Last updated September 18, 2008 11:03 a.m. PT
HELEN THOMAS
HEARST NEWSPAPERS
WASHINGTON -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has awesome self-confidence. Chosen by fellow Republicans to be Sen. John McCain's running mate, she told an interviewer: "I'm ready."That confidence reflects her naivete about her role that puts her one heartbeat away from the presidency.
In accepting the nomination as veep, she invoked the greatness of President Truman, based on their small-town origins. But anyone who was around during Truman's era knows there is a world of difference between Palin and Truman. Take, for example, humility.
Truman was vice president for only a short time when on April 12, 1945, he was summoned to the White House and told the stunning news that President Franklin Roosevelt was dead. Truman and FDR were not close and Truman was not deeply familiar with the U.S. military plans for World War II. He also did not know about the atomic bomb.
As the nation's new leader, Truman wanted a few days to move into the White House. He understood the magnitude of his new job. The morning after being sworn in Truman emerged from his Washington apartment to go to work on his first day as president. He took one look at the three wire service reporters who standing in front of his building.
"Boys," he said to the familiar faces, "the moon and the stars fell on me. If you ever prayed before, pray for me."
So when Palin says she is "ready," one thinks of the two U.S. wars under way in Iraq and Afghanistan -- and the devastating market crash on Wall Street.
There is no question that Palin has given a big lift to McCain and helped boost his ratings so that he's now virtually tied with Barack Obama, the Democratic nominee. As a team McCain and Palin are on the same page. Both are pro-guns, and anti-abortion. She is literally a rifle-toting mama, against sex education, and has attempted to ban books she considers immoral from her hometown library.
But Palin's evangelical rigidity on social issues puts her out of step with the modern woman. She is said to be more reactionary than McCain -- if that's possible. Is it any wonder that the activist feminist organizations have come out in support of Obama?
The new Republican ticket seems like the current White House tenant. Neither McCain nor Palin appear to have any significant doubts about President Bush's disastrous policies. Palin's gubernatorial tenure in Alaska is personified by massive firings when she took office. She does not tolerate dissent and shuns the press.
It seems clear to me that we would have another imperial presidency if McCain and Palin win the hearts and minds of the American people in the November balloting. Bob Woodward of the Washington Post has been privy to the workings of the Bush White House and has written four books to prove it. In his latest Book, "The War Within," Woodward depicts Bush as a "man of few doubts" who is "still following his gut, convinced that the path he has chosen is right."
Bush, who has switched from using the word "win" in speaking of Iraq to "succeed," has the gung ho McCain-Palin team behind him. The question is "why?" Woodward also wrote that Bush was intolerant of confrontations and in-depth debate. He said Bush maintained an "odd detachment" in the management of the war in Iraq ... "and too often failed to lead."
Bush has never explained why he invaded Iraq -- a country that had no doomsday weapons and did us no harm. It's doubtful that McCain or Palin could explain Bush's mindless mission in the Middle East if they gained the White House. |
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/379628_helenonline19.html
You should read the reader comments linked to the story.
It is worth noting that she quit her long time employer, UPI, after it was purchased by Sun Myung Moon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Thomas |
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caniff
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Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:58 am Post subject: |
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You should read the reader comments linked to the story.
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From the comments:
Posted by RationalThought at 9/19/08 10:25 a.m.
If you are a minority and you are selected for a job over more qualified candidates, you are a 'token hire.'
If you are a conservative and you are selected for a job over more qualified candidates you are a 'game changer.'
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Black teen pregnancies? A 'crisis' in black America.
White teen pregnancies? A 'blessed event.'
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If you grow up in Hawaii you are 'exotic.'
If you grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, you are the quintessential 'American story.'
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Similarly, if you name your kid 'Barack' you are 'unpatriotic'.
Name your kid 'Track' and you are 'colorful'.
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If you're a Democrat and you make a VP pick without fully vetting the individual you are 'reckless'.
A Republican who doesn't fully vet is a 'maverick'.
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If you spend 3 years as a community organizer growing your organization from a staff of 1 to 13 and your budget from $70,000 to $400,000, then become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new African American voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, then spend nearly 8 more years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, becoming chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, then spend nearly 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of nearly 13 million people, sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you are woefully inexperienced.
If you spend 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, then spend 20 months as the governor of a state with 650,000 people, then you've got the most executive experience of anyone on either ticket, are the Commander in Chief of the Alaska military and are well qualified to lead the nation should you be called upon to do so because your state is the closest state to Russia.
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If you are a Democratic male candidate who is popular with millions of people you are an 'arrogant celebrity'.
If you are a popular Republican female candidate you are 'energizing the base.'
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If you are a younger male candidate who thinks for himself and makes his own decisions you are 'presumptuous'.
If you are an older male candidate who makes last minute decisions you refuse to explain, you are a 'shoot from the hip' maverick.
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If you are a candidate with a Harvard law degree you are 'an elitist' and ''out of touch' with the real America .
If you are a legacy (dad and granddad were admirals) graduate of Annapolis with multiple disciplinary infractions you are a hero.
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If you manage a multi-million dollar nationwide campaign, you are an 'empty suit'.
If you are a part time mayor of a town of 7000 people, you are an 'experienced executive'.
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If you go to a south side Chicago church, your beliefs are 'extremist.'
If you believe in creationism, don't believe in dinosaurs, and don't believe global warming is man-made, you are 'strongly principled'.
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If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.
If you have been married to the same woman with whom you've been wed to for 19 years and raising 2 beautiful daughters with, you are 'risky.'
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If you are a black single mother of 4 who waits for 22 hours after her water breaks to seek medical attention, you're an irresponsible parent, endangering the life of your unborn child.
But if you are a white married mother who waits 22 hours, you're spunky.
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If you're a 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton, the right-wing press calls you 'First dog'.
If you are a 17-year old pregnant unwed daughter of a Republican, the right-wing press calls you 'beautiful' and 'courageous. '
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If you kill an endangered species, you're an excellent hunter.
If you have an abortion, you're a murderer (forget about if it happened while being raped.)
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If you teach abstinence only in sex education, you get teen parents.
If you teach responsible age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
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If you are a Republican senator who solicits gay sex in an airport bathroom, you get to return to your job in the Senate and are encouraged to run for re-election.
If you are a Democratic Senator who is out of public office and have an affair, your political career is over and your wife who has terminal cancer is to blame.
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Think about these differences when you cast your ballot in November. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:41 am Post subject: |
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Stupid comments from celebrity liberals...
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Sandra Bernhard issued a blistering warning to Sarah Palin during a performance of her new one-woman show.
The Republican V.P. nom would be "gang-raped by my big black brothers" if she enters Manhattan, Bernhard said. Palin is said to be making a campaign stop in New York next week.
"[The gang rape comment] is part of a much larger, nuanced, and yes, provocative (that's what I do) piece from my show about racism, freedom, women's rights and the extreme views of Governor Sarah Palin, a woman who doesn't believe that other women should have the right to choose," Bernhard told the Daily News today.
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However nuanced these remarks may have sounded in the original, Bernhard should really have given some thought to how they are going to be reported in the press. I'm guessing that a lot of swing voters out in Middle America really wouldn't get the idea of ironic rape humour.
It probably wouldn't be a bad idea for Obama to have a Sister Souljah moment with some of his hip, young, fashionably ironic supporters. Some of these guys really don't seem to realize how alien their whole cultural style is to the average yokel.
And I say this as someone who was present at the creation of Gen X irony.
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MissSeoul
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Obama may be better for America/American, but Korea may be better off McCain as U.S president, so I wish McCain be a next president of America, I worry if Obama stand easy/soft on N.Korea issue. |
N.Korea issue?
Do you really think North Korea will invade South Korea if Obama is elected?
What do you think would happen if Sarah Palin becomes president? That's what this thread is about.
Ever think that maybe Koreans should worry more about American import tariffs on Korean goods being raised because Korea rejected the FTA (not to mention the mad cow extortion protests)? Tacking on a few extra thousand dollars tariff per Korean car might have a far greater impact than anything North Korea could do to you. |
I don't mean N. Korea invasion, I mean if Obama stand easy/soft on N.Korea, N.Korea can stop 6 nations talk and can start nuclear program again.
I may be wrong, but the main reason why so many people support Obama is because current Bush administration is so terrible, people support Obama not because they think he can be a great president, they support him because they dislike Bush administration so much.
I may be wrong, but Obama is not really the one people think/believe, he maybe a guy with excellent oratory with average brain, something like oratory of Martin Luther King with brain of Jessie Jackson. 
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| MissSeoul wrote: |
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MissSeoul wrote:
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| Obama may be better for America/American, but Korea may be better off McCain as U.S president, so I wish McCain be a next president of America, I worry if Obama stand easy/soft on N.Korea issue. |
N.Korea issue?
Do you really think North Korea will invade South Korea if Obama is elected?
What do you think would happen if Sarah Palin becomes president? That's what this thread is about.
Ever think that maybe Koreans should worry more about American import tariffs on Korean goods being raised because Korea rejected the FTA (not to mention the mad cow extortion protests)? Tacking on a few extra thousand dollars tariff per Korean car might have a far greater impact than anything North Korea could do to you. |
I don't mean N. Korea invasion, I mean if Obama stand easy/soft on N.Korea, N.Korea can stop 6 nations talk and can start nuclear program again.
I may be wrong, but the main reason why so many people support Obama is because current Bush administration is so terrible, people support Obama not because they think he can be a great president, they support him because they dislike Bush administration so much.
I may be wrong, but Obama is not really the one people think/believe, he maybe a guy with excellent oratory with average brain, something like oratory of Matin Luther King with brain of Jessie Jackson. |
Based on your concerns about N. Korea, it seems pretty unlikely to me that you are a female Korean, but more likely to me that you are a conservative American male posing as a Korean. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| It looks to me like only Democrats are keeping Sarah Palin in the news. |
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