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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
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| Tax resistance is patriotic. |
Libertarians are selfish. Their whole view is to milk the country for whatever they can get from it.
Even the the liberals are better than the libertarians.
If you wanna know what libertarians are about
LOKI was a libertarian and he acted like one to kill Balder make sure that Balder could not come back and he helped destroy the world.
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| Hermod journeyed to the underworld, where he stayed one night. Hel, the goddess of death, told him that if everything under heaven shed a tear for Balder, she would allow him to return. However, if even one thing�living or dead�spoke against Balder or refused to weep for him, he would have to remain in the underworld. The gods sent messengers to every part of world to ask everything to weep for Balder. They thought they had succeeded until they found an old hag named Th�kk sitting in a cave. They asked her to weep for Balder, but she refused.. |
http://www.mythencyclopedia.com/Ar-Be/Balder.html |
Many who have been wathcing this board for a time already know that you believe in myths, but it is good for you to confirm it.
Nevertheless, I will rephrase my statement:
Resistance to taxation, especially when without representation, is patriotic. |
Translation : if Ron Paul doesn't win I am going home with all my toys.
Libertarians hate the government and not the enemy. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=14962 |
That proves my point right there.
You could not possibly impeach the patriotism of KBR and its parent Halliburton, could you? After all, the majority of our no-bid war outsourcing efforts now have been entrusted to them.
They are obviously just doing the patriotic thing by avoiding all those hundreds of millions of dollars of pesky, ol' taxes through their offshore shell companies.
They set a fine example for everyone to follow.
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cooperate greed doesn't make the libertarians correct.
In fact that company acted like a typical libertarian when it avoided taxes. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| cooperate greed doesn't make the libertarians correct. |
Yes, those corporations and the government sure do cooperate in greed.
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| In fact that company acted like a typical libertarian when it avoided taxes. |
No, the typical libertarian would have not had such high taxes in the first place so there would be no need to try to avoid them.
It's good you mention Ron Paul again. Treasury Secretary Paulson has said that bailouts might reach $1 trillion. It is not too late to vote for Ron Paul. Send a message. Vote for Ron Paul.
Or at least Ralph Nader who will be on the ballot in 45 states, the most ever for him. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| Resistance to taxation, especially when without representation, is patriotic. |
You are not represented in the Korean National Assembly but you pay Korean taxes.  |
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Nowhere Man

Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:00 am Post subject: ... |
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| The US can deal with the 9 trillion dollar debt with growth |
Oh, can we?
Reagan himself didn't even actually say that. He simply propelled the debt into the trillions knowing good well he'd be dead before it was time to try and fix that crap.
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| In Norse mythology, Fenrir or Fenrisulfr is a wolf, the son of Loki and the giantess Angrbo�a. Fenrir is bound by the gods, but is ultimately destined to grow too large for his bonds and swallow Odin whole during the course of Ragnar�k. He will be slain by Odin's son, Obama, who will use a shoe made throughout time using the pieces of leather waste left over from repaired shoes to hold the lower jaw while he grasped the upper up, tearing the beast apart and avenging his father. |
Yeah, we's just gonna grow out of 9 trillion dollars in debt.
Disclaimer: all of the above is just in good fun.
We don't need another rube screaming about taxes while he sets world records in deficit spending. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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One more thing if the US can someone manage to get the price of oil to about 40 dollars a barrel the US economy will be able to eat the debt for lunch.
IF THE PRICE OF OIL WERE 30 DOLLARS A BARREL INSTEAD OF 95 DOLLARS A BARREL THE US ECONOMY NOW WOULD BE PERFORMING AT THE LEVEL OR BETTER THAN THE US ECONOMY DID IN THE 90S AND THE US WOULD BE RUNNING A SURPLUS INSTEAD OF A DEFICIT.
GET THE PRICE OF OIL DOWN, WAY DOWN AND EVERYTHING ELSE WILL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| GET THE PRICE OF OIL DOWN, WAY DOWN AND EVERYTHING ELSE WILL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF. |
I think you'd better start rubbing your magic lamp, Joo. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| In truth, the trillions in leverage that is unwinding could bring oil down below 40-50bucks. I don't know if it is likely but it is possible. We're in for one hell of a wild ride. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| could bring oil down below 40-50bucks |
Are you saying that could happen just as a consequence of the last week, without a major reduction in demand (or a personality implant in the likes of Hugo Chavez, V. Putin and the King of Saudi Arabia)? |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah. Much of the money (trillions) in commodity markets is leverage. If the leverage unwinds, the market crashes. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Canada's the Globe and Mail discusses this idea. This article was very controversial.
http://www.reportonbusiness.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080909.wheinzl0910/BNStory/SpecialEvents2/home
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The real reason commodities are tumbling
To hear Donald Coxe tell it, the commodity selloff ripping through Canada's stock market is no accident. It is the result of a deliberate, brilliantly executed plan hatched at the highest levels of the U.S. Federal Reserve and Treasury.
Mr. Coxe is no paranoid conspiracy theorist. As the chairman and chief strategist of Harris Investment Management in Chicago, he is one of the most respected investment authorities in North America. He also happens to have lost about 10 per cent of his personal wealth in the commodity rout, which came at the worst possible time for his Coxe Commodity Strategy Fund that started trading in June.
�This has done more damage to my personal wealth than anything in the last 20 years,� he said in an interview yesterday. But he has too much respect for how the U.S. authorities engineered the collapse in commodities � a move he said was necessary to shore up the global financial system � to be bitter.
�My attitude is, goddamn it, they're good � it was brilliant.�
To understand why commodities are plunging now � the S&P/TSX plummeted another 488 points yesterday � you have to go back to mid-July, when the U.S. Federal Reserve and Treasury first announced steps to support mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
The move, which ultimately led to the Treasury taking control of Fannie and Freddie this week, touched off a chain-reaction of market events that culminated with the wrenching decline in commodities.
According to Mr. Coxe, the Fed's ultimate goal was to trigger a rally in financial stocks, which would, in theory, help banks hammered by the credit crisis raise fresh capital and repair their balance sheets. To accomplish this, the decision to support Fannie and Freddie was deliberately announced on a Sunday, which had the effect of maximizing the reaction from thinly traded financial stocks on overseas markets.
Because many hedge funds were using massive leverage to short financials and go long on commodities, when North American markets opened and banks initially rallied, the funds were forced to cover their short positions.
At the same time, the U.S. dollar was rallying because the risk of holding Fannie and Freddie paper had diminished. The rising dollar, in turn, made commodities less attractive, giving funds that were already scrambling to cover their financial shorts another reason to dump oil, grains and other commodities.
The losses were swift and dramatic. On the Friday before the July 11 announcement, crude oil closed at $145.18 a barrel. Over the following five days, it plunged 11 per cent. �Leverage was being unwound dramatically,� Mr. Coxe said on a conference call last week. �We had a true panic.�
As oil and other commodities were tumbling, fears about the slowing global economy were mounting, giving resources another push downhill. This was also in keeping with the Fed's wishes, because lower commodity prices would help quell fears about inflation.
Mr. Coxe has no proof that the Fed and Treasury acted in concert to boost financials and sink commodities. He is basing his assertions on conversations with hedge fund managers and on years of watching financial markets. �There's no doubt whatever in my mind� about what happened, he says.
The future is less certain, however. Now that Freddie and Fannie have been nationalized, the credit crisis is still very much alive and financial stocks are looking as shaky as ever. As for commodities, once the current storm passes, Mr. Coxe is confident they will recover.
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I really have no idea how accurate this is. But I do know that hedge funds are leveraged to all hell in the commodity markets. How that plays out I can't guess. In addition, it is now illegal to short financials and at least some of the huge rally we say today was hedge funds covering their shorts. This is just getting too complicated for me. |
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ReeseDog

Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Location: Classified
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Tax resistance is patriotic. |
How do you figure? |
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ReeseDog

Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Location: Classified
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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Pay your taxes. Pay what you can. Give what you can. Give all you can.
Whatever is best for the Reich. |
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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Paying taxes is patriotic if you have a government that makes decisions in the best interest of it's people and economy. Our US government is only making decisions that only benefit the fat ass suits in the short term by bailing them out of their failed decisions with all the taxes, loans, and the next generations money and resources. We need to stop borrowing from other countries and let the markets be a free market economy like they are supposed to be and live within our means of tax revenues. European countries have high taxes, but it all goes back to the people as socialist support for education, health care, business development, and infrastructure. The only reason why countries like China continue to support our irresponsible economic model is they want their currency to remain artificially devalued so their export to the US remain cheap and in demand. The billionaires around the world are corrupt, manipulate governments, and all in cahoots in what is called, the global economy, the model that will collapse when Uncle Sam can no longer pay for huge boondoggled mistakes. We need to let irresponsible suits fall flat on their faces so that responsible talent can rise through the ranks to be leaders who add value and public revenue to better the general public; not pad the fat rich business executives who are not producing value for our country, economy, and it's people.
By paying taxes in America, you are financing greed, fear, and evil which is why most working people and small business owners today don't believe in paying taxes nor have a sense of patriotism. Paying taxes means you are financing the irresponsbile rich to get richer instead of the money going to schools, infrastructure, technological innovation incubators, and economic development that creates sustainable jobs that take care of people and their families so they can pay more taxes to have even better schools, roads, infrastructure, and everything else that adds value in the long term. America has gone to shit, because it's value is destroyed by the corrupt upper crust. Don't pay any more taxes than necessary if you're not well paid, because it's a tough day and age to be an honest hard working dedicated employee for $15,000 to $30,000 a year. Of course employees are always forced to pay while executives get off from paying by cooking the books with bogus deductions and hiding bonuses overseas.
What will happen when Uncle Sam can no longer subsidize the the wrecked finance boondoggle when China and other countries says no to buying US Treasure notes due to decreasing demand of Chinese exports on account of the Americans not being able to afford to buy all that crap like they've been doing for a decade??? |
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