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legalquestions



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:37 pm    Post subject: convection oven/baking questions Reply with quote

I don't have a gas range/oven combo so I am thinking about buying a countertop convection oven so I can make biscuits, pizzas, breads, baked sweet potatoes, etc.

A couple of questions: why do the prices vary so much here? I mean, lower end models for 70,000 won and upper end models for 500,000. What is the difference? Maybe the more expensive models also have microwave capabilities?

Also, what things have you cooked in your convection ovens, or regular ovens for that matter? Please share!

Finally, where can I buy shortening here? coarse corn meal? self rising flour? wheat flour?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm making thin crust pizzas in my regular gas oven with pepperoni from Australia bought at Emart. It's the best stuff in the East, not to brag.

I got a big bag of apples last weekend and made apple pie and apple crisp.
I've made biscuits and gravy, but don't have the sausage I'd like to have.

I seen those convection ovens at Emart for 400 to 500 while a western gas oven is 750 to 1000. The ovens for 400 to 500 are baking ovens while the cheap ones are toaster ovens. Toaster ovens are not convection, meaning having circulating hot air to evenly and thoroughly bake a pie, pizza, or bread. Cheap toaster ovens are great for toasting bagels, warming up Dominos pizza, and maybe biscuits, but are not for real baking as the bottom will burn first before the top and center gets done and then their size is usually too small.

You might look in a Homeplus store or even Costco to see if you get a better deal on an electric convection oven than you would at Emart.

There's no course cornmeal to speak of to my knowledge, but white flour is widely available due to Koreans breaking bread and baking cakes. Only the white flour variety is to be found to my knowledge while I always ate whole wheat bread and bagels at home. I haven't seen any whole wheat flour or bran either. I seen cake mixes (self rising flour) in Homeplus, but baking powder is readily available everywhere. You can also find little clear packets of yeast that look like small tan balls for about 400 won. Cinnamon was not widely available 1.5 year ago, but today Emart and even smaller grocers are carrying it as it's getting used in bakery goods more so now. Many things we take for granted are new here or haven't yet been introduced due to trade and logistical barriers in place to protect the domestic economy interests, but all that is slowly changing where more variety is coming about.
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blackjack



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those 400-500,000 ovens have very good door seals which help keep the temp constant. They are normally bigger, have cool touch surfaces and look better, however they are expensive for what you get. The advantage over a full size gas oven is it is easier to install, don't have to modify the kitchen and easier to take with you to a different appartment

The toaster oven size 50-150,000 normally don't have very good door seals, meaning it is harder to maintain temps, some have fans, mine cooks pizzas, roasts and cookies pretty well, I wouldn't try to cook a souffle (sp?) in it tho.
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bangbayed



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The toaster size ovens also rotisserie a pretty mean chicken too. I've got on that sells for around 90,000 new and the smell of roasted chicken in the house is worth it alone. Also grills fish and roasts potatoes pretty good too.

Not much of a baker, so I can't give you much info if that's what you want to do.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:17 pm    Post subject: Re: convection oven/baking questions Reply with quote

legalquestions wrote:
I don't have a gas range/oven combo so I am thinking about buying a countertop convection oven so I can make biscuits, pizzas, breads, baked sweet potatoes, etc.

A couple of questions: why do the prices vary so much here? I mean, lower end models for 70,000 won and upper end models for 500,000. What is the difference? Maybe the more expensive models also have microwave capabilities?

Also, what things have you cooked in your convection ovens, or regular ovens for that matter? Please share!

Finally, where can I buy shortening here? coarse corn meal? self rising flour? wheat flour?


Until about 5 years ago I had a convection oven that was also a microwave.

I was able to bake anything in it...bread, and turkeys most importantly but casseroles and whatever.

I've never seen shortning here. Sometimes you can substitute butter for it. Coarse corn meal can be had at the Foreign Food Market in Itaewon. All medium to large grocery stores have flour. What no one seems to have is whole wheat flour.
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Yesterday



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Location: Land of the Morning DongChim (Kancho)

PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:34 pm    Post subject: Re: convection oven/baking questions Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
legalquestions wrote:
I don't have a gas range/oven combo so I am thinking about buying a countertop convection oven so I can make biscuits, pizzas, breads, baked sweet potatoes, etc.

A couple of questions: why do the prices vary so much here? I mean, lower end models for 70,000 won and upper end models for 500,000. What is the difference? Maybe the more expensive models also have microwave capabilities?

Also, what things have you cooked in your convection ovens, or regular ovens for that matter? Please share!

Finally, where can I buy shortening here? coarse corn meal? self rising flour? wheat flour?


Until about 5 years ago I had a convection oven that was also a microwave.

I was able to bake anything in it...bread, and turkeys most importantly but casseroles and whatever.

I've never seen shortning here. Sometimes you can substitute butter for it. Coarse corn meal can be had at the Foreign Food Market in Itaewon. All medium to large grocery stores have flour. What no one seems to have is whole wheat flour.


Are you always so ignorant?

You did NOT have a convection oven that was also a microwave.

You actually had a Convection microwave.. (completely different).

Basically the lower priced ovens in Seoul (70,000 ~ 200,000won) are cheap crap... you actually need to have a tray in the bottom of the oven full of water whenever you cook something in the oven - so that the oven does not catch on fire..

Go in the price range of 300,000~500,000won and try to get one that is fan forced - so thing cook better...
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blackjack



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:56 pm    Post subject: Re: convection oven/baking questions Reply with quote

Yesterday wrote:
Ya-ta Boy wrote:
legalquestions wrote:
I don't have a gas range/oven combo so I am thinking about buying a countertop convection oven so I can make biscuits, pizzas, breads, baked sweet potatoes, etc.

A couple of questions: why do the prices vary so much here? I mean, lower end models for 70,000 won and upper end models for 500,000. What is the difference? Maybe the more expensive models also have microwave capabilities?

Also, what things have you cooked in your convection ovens, or regular ovens for that matter? Please share!

Finally, where can I buy shortening here? coarse corn meal? self rising flour? wheat flour?


Until about 5 years ago I had a convection oven that was also a microwave.

I was able to bake anything in it...bread, and turkeys most importantly but casseroles and whatever.

I've never seen shortning here. Sometimes you can substitute butter for it. Coarse corn meal can be had at the Foreign Food Market in Itaewon. All medium to large grocery stores have flour. What no one seems to have is whole wheat flour.


Are you always so ignorant?

You did NOT have a convection oven that was also a microwave.

You actually had a Convection microwave.. (completely different).

Basically the lower priced ovens in Seoul (70,000 ~ 200,000won) are cheap crap... you actually need to have a tray in the bottom of the oven full of water whenever you cook something in the oven - so that the oven does not catch on fire..

Go in the price range of 300,000~500,000won and try to get one that is fan forced - so thing cook better...


I think it is you that doesn't know what they are talking about. You can get convection ovens that also have a microwave function.

I have a lower priced oven (30,000 second hand, 100,000 new). It roasts perfectly. Even big pork roasts with crackling, had the thing on for 3 hours didn't catch fire. Cooks pizza great, casseroles (once again on for around 3hrs still no fire).

plus mine is fan forced, I am not much of a baker, so I don't bake bread, but cookies are fine

Only problem I had was that the door seal wasn't great so I modified it with tin foil so it seals better.
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blackjack



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and here is an example of a convection oven that is also a microwave.

http://products.howstuffworks.com/sharp-carousel-r-1880ls-over-the-range-convection-microwave-review.htm
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Yesterday



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:41 am    Post subject: Re: convection oven/baking questions Reply with quote

blackjack wrote:
Yesterday wrote:
Ya-ta Boy wrote:
legalquestions wrote:
I don't have a gas range/oven combo so I am thinking about buying a countertop convection oven so I can make biscuits, pizzas, breads, baked sweet potatoes, etc.

A couple of questions: why do the prices vary so much here? I mean, lower end models for 70,000 won and upper end models for 500,000. What is the difference? Maybe the more expensive models also have microwave capabilities?

Also, what things have you cooked in your convection ovens, or regular ovens for that matter? Please share!

Finally, where can I buy shortening here? coarse corn meal? self rising flour? wheat flour?


Until about 5 years ago I had a convection oven that was also a microwave.

I was able to bake anything in it...bread, and turkeys most importantly but casseroles and whatever.

I've never seen shortning here. Sometimes you can substitute butter for it. Coarse corn meal can be had at the Foreign Food Market in Itaewon. All medium to large grocery stores have flour. What no one seems to have is whole wheat flour.


Are you always so ignorant?

You did NOT have a convection oven that was also a microwave.

You actually had a Convection microwave.. (completely different).

Basically the lower priced ovens in Seoul (70,000 ~ 200,000won) are cheap crap... you actually need to have a tray in the bottom of the oven full of water whenever you cook something in the oven - so that the oven does not catch on fire..

Go in the price range of 300,000~500,000won and try to get one that is fan forced - so thing cook better...


I think it is you that doesn't know what they are talking about. You can get convection ovens that also have a microwave function.

I have a lower priced oven (30,000 second hand, 100,000 new). It roasts perfectly. Even big pork roasts with crackling, had the thing on for 3 hours didn't catch fire. Cooks pizza great, casseroles (once again on for around 3hrs still no fire).

plus mine is fan forced, I am not much of a baker, so I don't bake bread, but cookies are fine

Only problem I had was that the door seal wasn't great so I modified it with tin foil so it seals better.


You also don't have a clue to what you are talking about...

IT Is NOT A CONVECTION OVEN WITH A MICROWAVE...

IT IS CALLED A CONVECTION MICROWAVE..

(TWO DIFFERENT THINGS) !!!
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sistersarah



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
IT Is NOT A CONVECTION OVEN WITH A MICROWAVE...

IT IS CALLED A CONVECTION MICROWAVE..

(TWO DIFFERENT THINGS) !!!


OK, then explain what the difference is.

I have a convention oven I got at Costco. 260,000 won. It also has a microwave function. I know that the two functions are separate because once I was being a stupid head and started cooking my baked potatoes wrapped in tin foil on the microwave function. There were sparks and a small flame. Luckily I didn't walk away after I pressed "start" and was able to stop it. Restart on "oven" mode and no sparks. The functions must be separate....
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sistersarah wrote:
Quote:
IT Is NOT A CONVECTION OVEN WITH A MICROWAVE...

IT IS CALLED A CONVECTION MICROWAVE..

(TWO DIFFERENT THINGS) !!!


OK, then explain what the difference is.

I have a convention oven I got at Costco. 260,000 won. It also has a microwave function. I know that the two functions are separate because once I was being a stupid head and started cooking my baked potatoes wrapped in tin foil on the microwave function. There were sparks and a small flame. Luckily I didn't walk away after I pressed "start" and was able to stop it. Restart on "oven" mode and no sparks. The functions must be separate....


try "google"


type in Microwave / Oven / Convection oven / Convectional oven / Conventional oven / Convection microwave...

and do your own research...

(they're all different) -

but there is no such thing as a "convection oven with a microwave"

stop asking other people to do all your research for you...
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Socks wrote:
sistersarah wrote:
Quote:
IT Is NOT A CONVECTION OVEN WITH A MICROWAVE...

IT IS CALLED A CONVECTION MICROWAVE..

(TWO DIFFERENT THINGS) !!!


OK, then explain what the difference is.

I have a convention oven I got at Costco. 260,000 won. It also has a microwave function. I know that the two functions are separate because once I was being a stupid head and started cooking my baked potatoes wrapped in tin foil on the microwave function. There were sparks and a small flame. Luckily I didn't walk away after I pressed "start" and was able to stop it. Restart on "oven" mode and no sparks. The functions must be separate....


try "google"


type in Microwave / Oven / Convection oven / Convectional oven / Conventional oven / Convection microwave...

and do your own research...

(they're all different) -

but there is no such thing as a "convection oven with a microwave"

stop asking other people to do all your research for you...



Stop telling other people what to do. I never said he was wrong, just asked for his explanation since he seems to know so much about it.

Wow, you guys really know your kitchen appliances...I'm impressed! Rolling Eyes
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blackjack



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Socks wrote:
sistersarah wrote:
Quote:
IT Is NOT A CONVECTION OVEN WITH A MICROWAVE...

IT IS CALLED A CONVECTION MICROWAVE..

(TWO DIFFERENT THINGS) !!!


OK, then explain what the difference is.

I have a convention oven I got at Costco. 260,000 won. It also has a microwave function. I know that the two functions are separate because once I was being a stupid head and started cooking my baked potatoes wrapped in tin foil on the microwave function. There were sparks and a small flame. Luckily I didn't walk away after I pressed "start" and was able to stop it. Restart on "oven" mode and no sparks. The functions must be separate....


try "google"


type in Microwave / Oven / Convection oven / Convectional oven / Conventional oven / Convection microwave...

and do your own research...

(they're all different) -

but there is no such thing as a "convection oven with a microwave"

stop asking other people to do all your research for you...


People are getting really wound up about this issue.

Can't we agree that a convection oven with a microwave function is the same thing as a convection microwave?

"Convection microwave ovens combine a convection oven with a microwave oven to cook food with the speed of a microwave oven and the browning ability of a convection oven."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convection_oven (hate to use wiki as a reference but it is easy).

and to yesterday, I am insulted I am not ya ta boy's sock he is mine. Laughing
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blackjack



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Socks I tried this google idea of yours

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=opera&rls=en-GB&hs=Qm0&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Microwave+/+Oven+/+Convection+oven+/+Convection+oven+/+Conventional+oven+/+Convection+microwave&spell=1

and

Sanyo EM-C6786V Microwave Oven with Convection and Grill Review ...


Large Sanyo Convection Oven/Microwave
18 Sep 2008 ... Large Sanyo Convection Oven/Microwave (Antrim, NH) ... It works like a conventional oven, or just a microwave or a combination of both. ...
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, going from memory:

A microwave oven uses short-wave energy to cook the food directly.

A convection oven blows hot air around to cook the food faster and more evenly than a conventional oven.

A conventional oven heats the air and the hot air cooks the food.

I don't know what the difference in terminology is.
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