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UberJRI

Joined: 22 Apr 2008 Location: Not where I want to be...yet
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:29 am Post subject: |
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I personally just don't like the taste/texture of meat, so I don't eat it. I also don't like cheese, milk, or eggs very much, but it's mostly because I don't do so well digesting dairy products. I used to eat a huge steak several times a week and always had stomach aches and was very overweight, but now that I have excluded almost all animal-based products from my diet for the past couple years, I feel hugely better and have slimmed down tremendously. I don't do it to be arrogant or to try to convert people to my way of eating (most people don't even know that I'm not fond of meat), but I do it for my own health. I don't see why a decision like this, an investment in my own personal health that I can physically see and feel working for me every day, should be taken as offensive or appear snobbish to anyone. I think there are many people out there who eat like I do for similar reasons, but it might not come off that way when they explain that they don't eat meat.
Of course there are always going to be the people who say, "Don't eat meat! Meat is murder!" But then again, there will always be the people who say, "Humans are omnivores! We were made to eat meat." Both sides can be equally extreme and hostile. |
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Starla

Joined: 06 Jun 2008 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:21 am Post subject: |
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I also eat a lot of vegetarian dishes myself because I agree they can be healthier, pretty tasty and less heavy than more meaty foods. This is not based on any political or religious principles. I realize others get into vegetarianism for health reasons. I knew one vegetarian whose parents are vegetarians so he never consumed meat and was disgusted by it. The reasons are various but the end result is the same in that, although commendable, vegetarianism is socially isolating. Any kind of strict diet is socially isolating.
Having said that, I also think eating too much animal fat is not a good thing for one's cholesterol and saturated fat intake and I don't think one human being needs to consume as much meat as the average American does. Meat was a luxury in poor times and I think it should still be treated as such nowadays even though poverty is not as prevalent in the world as it once was. |
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IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007 Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:42 am Post subject: |
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I don't think the Americans in this thread have the right to knock vegetarianism or give dietary advice to anyone, especially if they claim to have an "average American" diet. Have you seen the average American? The average American is bordering on obese. Every time I watch a newsreel with "average Americans" in the background I can't get over how many fatties there are. America is a country that could do with a lot more vegetarianism.
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Tommy

Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: |
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I don't mind vegetarians at all (hell, my mom's a vegetarian), but it's the vegans that annoy they hell outta me. Cause not only are they vegan, but they've gotta push their views on everyone else.
Here's a questions for you: do vegans swallow? |
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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
| I don't think the Americans in this thread have the right to knock vegetarianism or give dietary advice to anyone, especially if they claim to have an "average American" diet. Have you seen the average American? The average American is bordering on obese. Every time I watch a newsreel with "average Americans" in the background I can't get over how many fatties there are. America is a country that could do with a lot more vegetarianism. |
Thanks for the tip Dr. Awesome. |
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IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007 Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| jkelly80 wrote: |
| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
| I don't think the Americans in this thread have the right to knock vegetarianism or give dietary advice to anyone, especially if they claim to have an "average American" diet. Have you seen the average American? The average American is bordering on obese. Every time I watch a newsreel with "average Americans" in the background I can't get over how many fatties there are. America is a country that could do with a lot more vegetarianism. |
Thanks for the tip Dr. Awesome. |
Vegetarianism, flawed as it may be, is a better alternative for a lot of people than Mcdonald's-steak-chocolate-chipism. Then again, an actual, run of the mill diet would suffice for a lot of people. |
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EricaSmile84

Joined: 23 Jan 2008
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm a situational vegetarian... I don't cook or order meat on my own, but if someone is cooking it or ordering it for me I will eat it. My whole thing about being a vegetarian is to avoid factory-farmed meat. It's probably the worst kind of meat you can buy... it's bad for the environment and the overall product quality is bad. The conditions of the livestock are terrible as well as the place where they spend their lives. A better alternative is locally raised farm meat. There's a better chance the animal was treated better, which will result in a better tasting, healthier product. |
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spliff

Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
| jkelly80 wrote: |
| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
| I don't think the Americans in this thread have the right to knock vegetarianism or give dietary advice to anyone, especially if they claim to have an "average American" diet. Have you seen the average American? The average American is bordering on obese. Every time I watch a newsreel with "average Americans" in the background I can't get over how many fatties there are. America is a country that could do with a lot more vegetarianism. |
Thanks for the tip Dr. Awesome. |
Vegetarianism, flawed as it may be, is a better alternative for a lot of people than Mcdonald's-steak-chocolate-chipism. Then again, an actual, run of the mill diet would suffice for a lot of people. |
So, what's a "good" diet in your considered estimation? |
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IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007 Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| spliff wrote: |
| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
| jkelly80 wrote: |
| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
| I don't think the Americans in this thread have the right to knock vegetarianism or give dietary advice to anyone, especially if they claim to have an "average American" diet. Have you seen the average American? The average American is bordering on obese. Every time I watch a newsreel with "average Americans" in the background I can't get over how many fatties there are. America is a country that could do with a lot more vegetarianism. |
Thanks for the tip Dr. Awesome. |
Vegetarianism, flawed as it may be, is a better alternative for a lot of people than Mcdonald's-steak-chocolate-chipism. Then again, an actual, run of the mill diet would suffice for a lot of people. |
So, what's a "good" diet in your considered estimation? |
Eat less, exercise more. Eat less fat, less meat and more vegetables. Not really rocket science but a lot of people seem to have trouble with it. |
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Temporary
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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If you want to stay alive longer eat a reduced calorie diet. Proven fact. Not sure the quality of life would be that great.
I don't go out of my way to get meat but I appreciate the pure protein aspect of it. I stay away from SOY cause its shiet.
I get most of my protein intake from Casein, Whey, egg whites. I eat roughly 200grams of protein a day. I lost over 55kilos and I eat a high protein diet. Atkins diet is very effective except most people don't ever properly stick to it.
For the next 14 days I am doing a protein cycle. The only non meat/protein things I will ingest will be Flax seed, Wheat Husk Fiber. Coupled with 3 hours works outs a day I will loose at least 2% body fat and not suffer huge loss of muscle mass. |
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Zutronius

Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Location: Suncheon
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't eat as much meat in Korea because of the price. I do however love a meat on a leaf. I have no problems with vegetarians or vegans as long as they don't try to force their ways of eating upon me. Different yolks for different folks. |
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Bramble

Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Location: National treasures need homes
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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If you want to stay alive longer eat a reduced calorie diet. Proven fact. Not sure the quality of life would be that great.
I don't go out of my way to get meat but I appreciate the pure protein aspect of it. I stay away from SOY cause its shiet.
I get most of my protein intake from Casein, Whey, egg whites. I eat roughly 200grams of protein a day. I lost over 55kilos and I eat a high protein diet. Atkins diet is very effective except most people don't ever properly stick to it.
For the next 14 days I am doing a protein cycle. The only non meat/protein things I will ingest will be Flax seed, Wheat Husk Fiber. Coupled with 3 hours works outs a day I will loose at least 2% body fat and not suffer huge loss of muscle mass. |
Did you forget to log into your dietitian account? |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: meat |
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I don't care what people eat. I was just making a point that some people think that their meat eating diet is the right way to live. Sometimes I am a vegie and sometimes I eat chicken and eggs.
I eat what I like but I came to that conclusion from having an open mind and trying many different styles of eating.
I was just having a laugh at the guys who think that meat eating is the right way to live.
A cruisy job where you can save money is not one of the worst jobs on the planet. I know lots of people are having problems just cutting it these days in the west. I have friends who run private practices who use to make 200000 plus a year. Now clients just don't have the money for extra services so even professionals are suffering.
So I am confused why Justin thinks we are such pond scum. If I return to Aus next year to do my teaching diploma it will give me 3 degrees. I will be still have less spending money teaching in Aus and I will have to deal with rude students.
I have a professional license and when I was in Aus last year even with the so-called good economy at the time my clients just didn't have the disposable income they use to have.
I hope you don't think that being a winner or a loser depends on your job and how much you earn. I have had years where I have been rich and ones that I earned 600 bucks a month in China. Who I am does not change with my salary. Actually many times life has been better when I was poor.
I feel sorry for people that are chasing the dream of happiness sometime in the future when the achieve the conditions they think are optimal. |
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IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007 Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: meat |
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I was just having a laugh at the guys who think that meat eating is the right way to live.
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I'm a guy and as a vegetarian I've got the brunt of this kind of attitude. On a scale of 0 (gay PETA member) to 10 (frat boy) most guys would rather be identified with 10 than 0.
I don't know why it is, but otherwise thoughtful fellows will get uber masculine over the meat eating issue, regardless of their culture. It's akin to guys who say: "I don't hate gays, I just don't want them near me" or "I'm comfortable with my sexuality but if someone calls me gay I'll break their face".
Meat eating is sort of a masculine pride thing. Most guys will tell you they only eat bloodied, red meat if asked, regardless of what they actually eat.
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| "Let the cow eat the grass, and I'll eat the cow" was my father's stock response to vegetarianism. |
Case in point. |
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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Most men don't like being lectured by the shrill and self righteous. Most women don't either. |
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