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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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 Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject: Illegal Immigrants Returning to Mexico in Record Numbers |
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another consequence of the bust..
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DALLAS � Illegal immigrants are returning home to Mexico in numbers not seen for decades � and the Mexican government may have to deal with a crush on its social services and lower wages once the immigrants arrive.
The Mexican Consulate's office in Dallas is seeing increasing numbers of Mexican nationals requesting paperwork to go home for good, especially parents who want to know what documentation they'll need to enroll their children in Mexican schools.
"Those numbers have increased percentage-wise tremendously," said Enrique Hubbard, the Mexican consul general in Dallas. "In fact, it's almost 100 percent more this year than it was the previous two years."
The illegal immigrant population in the U.S. has dropped 11 percent since August of last year, according to the Center for Immigration Studies. Its research shows 1.3 million illegal immigrants have returned to their home countries.
Some say illegal immigrants are leaving because a soft economy has led to fewer jobs, causing many laborers to seek work elsewhere.
Others argue that a tough stance on immigration through law enforcement has spread fear throughout the illegal population.
Mexican President Felipe Calderon plans to help returning nationals by providing food, medical care and temporary shelter if needed. But reports are already out in Mexico that the large number of illegal immigrants returning home could drive down wages and put pressure on social services � the same concerns many Americans have with illegals living and working in the U.S. |
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,409221,00.html |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Same article.
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"Remittances, which is the money immigrants send home to Mexico, have gone down dramatically over the past year.
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About damn time. Tax-dodging freeloaders.
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Advocates for immigrants are disturbed by the trend. Albert Ruiz, an organizer for the League of United Latin American Citizens, agrees that more undocumented immigrants are going home � but says families are being torn apart in the process.
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Cry me a river. Time for some tough decisions to be made, folks.
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| If a father is deported, Ruiz says, his family members in America are forced either to fend for themselves or follow him to a country where they've never even lived. "So the mother is saying we should return home with the breadwinner of the family to Mexico, and the children are saying, I don't want to leave, I'm a U.S. citizen, I don't know that country," said Ruiz. |
Tough titty. At least you speak the langugage. I guess that "anchor baby" idea didn't work out so well for you after all, eh, Pedro?
Look at it this way, amigo: it's better than wearing pink drawers, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Pink_underwear
You go, Sheriff Joe! |
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traxxe
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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Same article.
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"Remittances, which is the money immigrants send home to Mexico, have gone down dramatically over the past year.
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About damn time. Tax-dodging freeloaders.
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Advocates for immigrants are disturbed by the trend. Albert Ruiz, an organizer for the League of United Latin American Citizens, agrees that more undocumented immigrants are going home � but says families are being torn apart in the process.
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Cry me a river. Time for some tough decisions to be made, folks.
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| If a father is deported, Ruiz says, his family members in America are forced either to fend for themselves or follow him to a country where they've never even lived. "So the mother is saying we should return home with the breadwinner of the family to Mexico, and the children are saying, I don't want to leave, I'm a U.S. citizen, I don't know that country," said Ruiz. |
Tough titty. At least you speak the langugage. I guess that "anchor baby" idea didn't work out so well for you after all, eh, Pedro?
Look at it this way, amigo: it's better than wearing pink drawers, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Pink_underwear
You go, Sheriff Joe! |
Pretty amazing response there ReeseDog. Utterly insensitive and bordering on racist with the Pedro comment. I'm assuming you are from Arizona like I am. That's a shame, I hate it when my state's idiots pop out of the woodwork and insult common things attributed to humanity like empathy.
So Mexicans come across the border. Why? There lives are not great in Mexico and they want better lives for themselves and their families. Let's be honest, legal immigration is a joke and never works for even the most patient and deserving of people.
So they come to America. Just because you were born into a country with freedoms and opportunity should not blind you to the plights of others. You are no more deserving to be American than any illegal immigrant.
Let's face it, at one point your family was a "Pedro" too amigo. Get your head out of your ass and realize your family left someplace for a better opportunity. Does it suck we foot a lot of the bill? Yes. I'd rather foot the bill in America than sweat and work for little food in Mexico. Be thankful for your opportunity and the sweat of your immigrant roots that enabled you to be so fucking smug and contempt to a people wanting a better life for themselves.
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TexasPete
Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Koreatown
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| A-HA! So, busting the economy was all a clever ruse to get the Mexicans out of the U-S-of-A. Well played, Mr. Bush. Well played. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Pretty amazing response there ReeseDog. Utterly insensitive and bordering on racist with the Pedro comment. I'm assuming you are from Arizona like I am. That's a shame, I hate it when my state's idiots pop out of the woodwork and insult common things attributed to humanity like empathy.
So Mexicans come across the border. Why? There lives are not great in Mexico and they want better lives for themselves and their families. Let's be honest, legal immigration is a joke and never works for even the most patient and deserving of people.
So they come to America. Just because you were born into a country with freedoms and opportunity should not blind you to the plights of others. You are no more deserving to be American than any illegal immigrant.
Let's face it, at one point your family was a "Pedro" too amigo. Get your head out of your ass and realize your family left someplace for a better opportunity. Does it suck we foot a lot of the bill? Yes. I'd rather foot the bill in America than sweat and work for little food in Mexico. Be thankful for your opportunity and the sweat of your immigrant roots that enabled you to be so fucking smug and contempt to a people wanting a better life for themselves.
Peace |
Add to that the irony of everything from Texas to California, including Arizona, having been stolen from Mexico to begin with! Now to resent them for being "illegal" in what was once their country.
And he is wrong about the 'freeloading" part, too. Studies have shown that while paying taxes, they use government services at a lesser rate. |
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Cornfed
Joined: 14 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| So Mexicans come across the border. Why? There lives are not great in Mexico and they want better lives for themselves and their families. |
Which is to say, for money. As I understand it, most of them don't really like American culture and their children and likely to join the resentful, unemployed criminal underclass. The original immigrants work for peanutsy wages, thus making it impossible for many Americans to get jobs and bleeding communities of funds, just so rich corporate scumbags can spend the money on themselves instead of legal workers. I wouldn't blame the immigrants for this state of affairs, but it really is a social and economic disaster.
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| Let's be honest, legal immigration is a joke and never works for even the most patient and deserving of people. |
To paraphrase Oscar Wilde, if one could afford to legally emigrate to America, one wouldn't emigrate. |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder how many people here who rave on about undocumented workers in the US teach privates in Korea.
Undocumented workers, according to many studies, and common sense, pay way more in taxes than they get in services. Often they are using phony Social Security numbers, thus paying in money they can never collect, and many are afraid to go to hospitals or doctors for fear of being caught.
Meanwhile, the US government is preparing to create the biggest transfer payment in history to Wall Street, funded by American, and foreign, workers through taxation.
There is a lot of misplaced anger in the US. And the Lou Dobbs of the world love to direct it to those with the least protection.
Ignorance is bliss only for the ignorant- the rest of us suffer greatly for the collective stupidity. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:56 am Post subject: |
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| Would anyone object if we adopted Mexico's immigration laws? |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:59 am Post subject: |
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cheap labour exiting the us of a
companies will follow |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Location: Classified
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:12 am Post subject: |
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| traxxe wrote: |
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Same article.
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"Remittances, which is the money immigrants send home to Mexico, have gone down dramatically over the past year.
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About damn time. Tax-dodging freeloaders.
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Advocates for immigrants are disturbed by the trend. Albert Ruiz, an organizer for the League of United Latin American Citizens, agrees that more undocumented immigrants are going home � but says families are being torn apart in the process.
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Cry me a river. Time for some tough decisions to be made, folks.
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| If a father is deported, Ruiz says, his family members in America are forced either to fend for themselves or follow him to a country where they've never even lived. "So the mother is saying we should return home with the breadwinner of the family to Mexico, and the children are saying, I don't want to leave, I'm a U.S. citizen, I don't know that country," said Ruiz. |
Tough titty. At least you speak the langugage. I guess that "anchor baby" idea didn't work out so well for you after all, eh, Pedro?
Look at it this way, amigo: it's better than wearing pink drawers, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Pink_underwear
You go, Sheriff Joe! |
Pretty amazing response there ReeseDog. Utterly insensitive and bordering on racist with the Pedro comment. I'm assuming you are from Arizona like I am. That's a shame, I hate it when my state's idiots pop out of the woodwork and insult common things attributed to humanity like empathy.
So Mexicans come across the border. Why? There lives are not great in Mexico and they want better lives for themselves and their families. Let's be honest, legal immigration is a joke and never works for even the most patient and deserving of people.
So they come to America. Just because you were born into a country with freedoms and opportunity should not blind you to the plights of others. You are no more deserving to be American than any illegal immigrant.
Let's face it, at one point your family was a "Pedro" too amigo. Get your head out of your ass and realize your family left someplace for a better opportunity. Does it suck we foot a lot of the bill? Yes. I'd rather foot the bill in America than sweat and work for little food in Mexico. Be thankful for your opportunity and the sweat of your immigrant roots that enabled you to be so fucking smug and contempt to a people wanting a better life for themselves.
Peace |
Go hug a tree, pinko. Save the indignation for your bleeding-heart rallies.
They're illegal. The shouldn't be here. They need to go home.
Yeah, I guess my family was fleeing for something better when they crossed the land bridge. The difference? Nobody was here when my ancestors arrived, so take that smugness and shove it up your ass. |
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traxxe
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:50 am Post subject: |
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Go hug a tree, pinko. Save the indignation for your bleeding-heart rallies.
They're illegal. The shouldn't be here. They need to go home.
Yeah, I guess my family was fleeing for something better when they crossed the land bridge. The difference? Nobody was here when my ancestors arrived, so take that smugness and shove it up your ass. |
I'm hardly a pinko. Don't like communism. I don't hug trees, I eat meat and hunt. I've shot elk and deer in and around Prescott and Payson. I've skinned them, gutted em', and used them for sustenance and trophy.
You're one of those land bridge people when it suits you I bet. I'm pretty sure you are not a registered card carrying native American. I doubt you are even half. Just because your left nut is Navajo still does not justify any of your argument you cork-screwed, uptight, ignoramous. I am a card carrying person who has partial native American descent (25%) but that doesn't make me entitled to be a elistist racist hinting jackass. Nor does it entitle you.
So where is your family really from? You immigrant. I'm guessing not from Mexico.
They are illegal, yes. That doesn't make you any less of a sniveling ignorant retard who tosses out his 'big-toe' equivelant Indian card at the drop of a racism looking hat.
Regardless, I'll buy you a beer and a cheese crisp should I ever see you on the Sonora side of the big dry. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:25 am Post subject: |
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"Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free"
Economists have been saying for decades that America needs a more open immigration policy, that there are not enough immigrants to keep the economy going strong. |
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sojourner1
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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| It's the job market. The US job market is not producing and maintaining jobs in most industries. It doesn't matter if you're blue collar, while collar, black, white, gay, straight, or somewhere in between one of those lines, the poorly performing domestic economy presents fewer and fewer opportunities. This includes Mexicans too and so the hunt for work continues... |
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Kuros
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I wonder how many people here who rave on about undocumented workers in the US teach privates in Korea.
Undocumented workers, according to many studies, and common sense, pay way more in taxes than they get in services. Often they are using phony Social Security numbers, thus paying in money they can never collect, and many are afraid to go to hospitals or doctors for fear of being caught. |
Can you point to one such study? One will suffice. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:02 am Post subject: |
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Undocumented workers, according to many studies, and common sense, pay way more in taxes than they get in services. |
Show me the studies.
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It is easy to see why illegal immigrants are attractive to employers. These are generally good, hardworking people who will quietly accept minimum wage (or below), don't generally get health or other benefits, and if they complain they can be easily fired. For some employers it is an abused form of labor. Even minimum wage is attractive to workers from countries whose standard of living is a fraction of ours.
But that is not to say it is "cheap labor." It may be "cheap" to those who pay the wages, but for the rest of us, it is clearly "subsidized" labor, as we taxpayers pick up the costs of education, health, and other municipal costs imposed by this work force.
That has become a substantial and growing cost as the nature of illegal immigration patterns has changed.
For decades illegal immigrants were single men who would come up from Mexico or Central America alone, pick crops or perform other low-paid physical labor and then go home. They were indeed "cheap labor."
But starting in the 1960s these workers would either bring their families or smuggle them into the country later. They become a permanent or semi-permanent population living in the shadows but imposing immense municipal costs.
Illegal immigration today isn't "cheap" labor except to the employer. To the rest of us it is "subsidized labor," where a few get the benefit and the rest of us pay. These costs ought to be obvious to all, but the myth of "cheap labor" and "jobs Americans won't do" persists. But let us examine it more closely.
It is hard to get an exact profile of the people who live in the underground economy, but the average family of illegal immigrants has 2-4 school-age kids. It costs U.S. taxpayers more than $10,000 a child just to educate them in our public schools. Now, no minimum-wage workers, or even low-wage workers, pay anywhere near enough to pay for even one child in school. Even if they were paying all federal and state taxes, Colorado's estimated 30,000 school-age children of workers illegally in the United States impose gargantuan costs on other taxpayers.
The dilemma is compounded by the fact that approximately 50 percent of illegal workers are paid in cash, off the books. Go to any construction site almost anywhere in America, and you will find workers paid cash wages. Virtually every city in America has an area where illegals gather, and people come by to get "cheap" cash wage labor.
The health care cost of this "cheap" work force is also significant and subsidized by U.S. taxpayers. The total cost of this "subsidized" labor is impossible to ascertain and difficult to even estimate, but it is immense and growing as the number of these workers grows. A few benefit, many pay.
Americans pay in more ways than taxes. Cheap labor drives down wages as low income Americans are forced to compete against these admittedly hardworking people.
Even employers, who don't want to wink at false documents, are forced to lower wages just to be competitive. It is in many ways a "race to the bottom" fueled by poor people often recruited from ever more distant countries by middlemen who profit handsomely. Harvard professor George Borjas, an immigrant himself, estimates that American workers lose $190 billion
annually in depressed wages caused by the constant flooding of the labor market from newcomers.
Let me suggest that correctly analyzed, the fight against illegal immigration is both a liberal and conservative cause.
The last two national commissions set up to study immigration, one headed by liberal icon Congresswoman Barbara Jordan, found that there was no moral or legal justification for this abused form of labor. Why aren't our politicians listening?
Richard D. Lamm is the former governor of Colorado. |
http://www.greeleytribune.com/article/20080912/READERS/109127451/1027&parentprofile=1025
There are many reasons to be in favour of immigration but 'the Mexicans pay more in taxes than services they receive' is not one of them. |
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