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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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 Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:30 pm Post subject: Father killed children after losing custody |
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Father killed children after losing custody
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A man who is believed to have smothered his two young daughters while they were on a weekend custody visit telephoned their mother to say "the children have gone to sleep forever" before killing himself, it emerged last night.
The man, named locally as David Cass, 32, was found dead on Sunday evening with his two children, Ellie aged three, and Isobel, one, in a caravan parked at the Southampton garage where he worked. Cass separated from the children's mother, Kerry Hughes, four months ago and since then had intermittently slept in the caravan, parked at Paynes Road Car Sales.
At the weekend, he was caring for the youngsters for the first time after an acrimonious split with Hughes. He picked the children up on Saturday morning and was due to return them to their mother when he called her at around 6.45pm.
A family friend, Val Frasier, said last night: "He apparently said to her, 'The children have gone to sleep forever and I'm going to hang myself'."
Hughes called Hampshire police immediately after receiving the call, but when officers forced open the gates of the garage the three were already dead. A police spokesman said they were not looking for anyone else in connection with the deaths.
Earlier in the week, Cass is thought to have been confident of winning custody of his daughters. The garage's manager, John Martin, described how Cass's mood had changed after his hopes about custody arrangements for the children were dashed. |
This is so sad. My father would have given his life for me and my siblings. These poor girls pulled the short straw when they were giving out fathers. They were the same age as my two boys, and I just can't understand how a parent would do this. |
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OneWayTraffic
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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Depression and stress can do strange things to even a normal mind. I'd like to think that most cases like this are relatively normal people snapping under pressure and doing something that they would normally never countenance.
There have been lots of other cases. I remember several years ago their was a divorced housewife in Incheon- jumped out the Apartment window with her son, after throwing both daughters out. I think it was the 17th floor or somesuch. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:28 am Post subject: |
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Yeah I remember that. Horrible. I always find myself imagining the kids' confusion and terror in their final moments. I wish I didn't.  |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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The media shouldn't report this.
Private, or even community, tragedies are not nat'l or int'l news. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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Kuros took the words out of my mouth.
Private anguish should not be fodder for public discussion. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree, they shouldn't report things like this. I want more stories about firemen rescuing cats stuck in trees. Things like that. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:37 am Post subject: |
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I have to agree with the last two posts. Its not needed to be public or international news.
Though I do feel there has to be some system whereby the situation is discussed so that others wont see it as a out. |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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Woah, I never heard about the Incheon woman. I suddenly got all cold reading that.
'What a bi-atch' is my thinking. I don't care what problems anyone has, taking innocent kids (even if one gave birth to them, they are still innocent) with you is so, so, so bad. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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Why didn't the father get custody? Oh, right, he was just considered a sperm donor since he wasn't married to the mother of his children. Of course, he would have still been on the hook for all monetary obligations until the children were at least 18 years old.
I've been through a situation were my daughter, aged 3 1/2, was moved by her mother to another city with no notice. She also told my daughter not to tell me, or I would try to kidnap her.
A YEAR after this happened, we finally got to see a judge in HER city, and the judge spent precisely 0 minutes admonishing the mother for a) moving away with no notice b) not allowing me to see my daughter at Christmas at the last minute, after driving for 7 hours to her city c) for telling my daughter she would be kidnapped.
It felt like my daughter had died, for that year. The pain was indescribable.
Thanks court system of Canada, Britain, and U.S.A. for wonderful family stories like the one cited by the OP. If you don't think so, just imagine a mother raising two children not being granted custody, not through neglect, but by virtue of not having a pen!s. That's how the system works now. If you don't have a vagina and you weren't married, then you have no rights, except the right to pay child support and university tuition for the next 22 years. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
Thanks court system of Canada, Britain, and U.S.A. for wonderful family stories like the one cited by the OP. If you don't think so, just imagine a mother raising two children not being granted custody, not through neglect, but by virtue of not having a pen!s. That's how the system works now. If you don't have a vagina and you weren't married, then you have no rights, except the right to pay child support and university tuition for the next 22 years. |
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the court system, the guy proved the court right, in that he clearly wasn't suitable to raise children. Children are not pawns to be used to 'get back at' the ex or the system.
Even if I were told I could never see my kids again, I would be in terrible pain, and I might feel a terrible rage - but I wouldn't kill my beautiful boys to spite the court or their father! Jesus! |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
Thanks court system of Canada, Britain, and U.S.A. for wonderful family stories like the one cited by the OP. If you don't think so, just imagine a mother raising two children not being granted custody, not through neglect, but by virtue of not having a pen!s. That's how the system works now. If you don't have a vagina and you weren't married, then you have no rights, except the right to pay child support and university tuition for the next 22 years. |
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the court system, the guy proved the court right, in that he clearly wasn't suitable to raise children. Children are not pawns to be used to 'get back at' the ex or the system.
Even if I were told I could never see my kids again, I would be in terrible pain, and I might feel a terrible rage - but I wouldn't kill my beautiful boys to spite the court or their father! Jesus! |
of course not, but it should make you outraged that fathers have their children taken away from them simply for not having a vagina. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
Thanks court system of Canada, Britain, and U.S.A. for wonderful family stories like the one cited by the OP. If you don't think so, just imagine a mother raising two children not being granted custody, not through neglect, but by virtue of not having a pen!s. That's how the system works now. If you don't have a vagina and you weren't married, then you have no rights, except the right to pay child support and university tuition for the next 22 years. |
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the court system, the guy proved the court right, in that he clearly wasn't suitable to raise children. Children are not pawns to be used to 'get back at' the ex or the system.
Even if I were told I could never see my kids again, I would be in terrible pain, and I might feel a terrible rage - but I wouldn't kill my beautiful boys to spite the court or their father! Jesus! |
of course not, but it should make you outraged that fathers have their children taken away from them simply for not having a vagina. |
I look at it from the children's point of view. The children deserve to be allowed full contact with both parents, unless a parent is deemed harmful to the child. They should also be given access to all grandparents, with the same caveat.
At least in Australia, they are making sure kids have access to both parents as much as possible. No child should be kept from their parent, unless s/he is a danger to them. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
Thanks court system of Canada, Britain, and U.S.A. for wonderful family stories like the one cited by the OP. If you don't think so, just imagine a mother raising two children not being granted custody, not through neglect, but by virtue of not having a pen!s. That's how the system works now. If you don't have a vagina and you weren't married, then you have no rights, except the right to pay child support and university tuition for the next 22 years. |
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the court system, the guy proved the court right, in that he clearly wasn't suitable to raise children. Children are not pawns to be used to 'get back at' the ex or the system.
Even if I were told I could never see my kids again, I would be in terrible pain, and I might feel a terrible rage - but I wouldn't kill my beautiful boys to spite the court or their father! Jesus! |
of course not, but it should make you outraged that fathers have their children taken away from them simply for not having a vagina. |
I look at it from the children's point of view. The children deserve to be allowed full contact with both parents, unless a parent is deemed harmful to the child. They should also be given access to all grandparents, with the same caveat.
At least in Australia, they are making sure kids have access to both parents as much as possible. No child should be kept from their parent, unless s/he is a danger to them. |
Would that be unmarried parents as well? Simply not the case in Canada. Unmarried fathers have no custody. |
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Cornfed
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| The guy must really be a maniac to kill the children rather than, say, killing the mother, her lawyers and the family kangaroo court judge. Perhaps he figured that being raised by Western women and/or Western regimes was a fate worse than death. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Cornfed wrote: |
| The guy must really be a maniac to kill the children rather than, say, killing the mother, her lawyers and the family kangaroo court judge. Perhaps he figured that being raised by Western women and/or Western regimes was a fate worse than death. |
In which case offing the mother wouldn't be manic? |
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