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What is $700,000,000,000?
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Gatsby



Joined: 09 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:47 am    Post subject: What is $700,000,000,000? Reply with quote

I was thinking, how do you explain to someone what $700,000,000,000 is, aside from having a whole lot of zeros?

How many school books could you buy, how many teachers could you hire, how many meals could you serve to the hungry, how many computers could you put in schools and libraries, how many bowling balls could you buy? Whatever. How can you put this in real terms that people would understand?

Or put another way:

If you had 700 billion dollars to spend, what would you buy?

Perhaps a better way to put this is, if you had 700 billion dollars to invest in America, to do something good, to stimulate the economy, to improve the quality of life, to help the environment, to help solve the problem of global warming, what would you do with it?

I tried doing some math to come up with possible answers, but ran into a problem. My pocket calculator doesn't handle numbers this big. The calculator on Windows goes this big, but it doesn't put commas in, so I had trouble counting the zeros. I guess I need to find a better calculator, or something.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



Joined: 25 May 2003

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The US will probably one day sell of the loans on the books at a profit.


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In a stroke this ends this chapter of the subprime crisis. Those assets will now be transferred to the government � the current holders will take whatever loss the Treasury feels is appropriate � and sold back to the market as conditions improve. In the long run this is great for both the housing market and the government � for the housing market because it puts a floor under current falling housing prices and allows America�s positive population growth and net inmigration to slowly raise future prices, and for the government because while it will increase debt in the short term, in the long run it will probably earn the government a profit. The Treasury will be aiming to buy low and sell high, and in most cases should be able to, yet it has the authority to raise its paying prices or lower its sale prices as necessary to ensure that both ends of the market continue to function semi-normally.


http://www.stratfor.com/geopolitical_diary/20080922_geopolitical_diary_wall_street_drama




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AIG is a different beast. While, like Lehman, it is AIG�s investment arm that got it into trouble, AIG is first and foremost an insurance company and second an aircraft leasing firm. These are businesses that have little to nothing to do with subprime in specific, or investing in general. Among AIG�s loads of assets are a half-trillion dollar of policies insuring many of the world�s largest companies. The Fed took one look at that and thought, �No sir, this firm is not going to be allowed to go under.� So the Fed cobbled together an $85 billion loan and took over 80 percent of the company.

But this is not a bailout. Instead, the Fed has provided AIG with liquidity and insulation so it can ensure that the functional parts � the large majority of the firm, in fact � can continue operations unimpeded by the bits in need of revaluation. The intent is not to rehabilitate the firm and then let it go, but to sell off every piece of the firm over the next two years and bury it forever as punishment for bad investment decisions. The Fed decision, in effect, is a forced dissolution, but done in a way that will allow the market to recycle the firm�s constituent parts.



http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20080918_global_market_brief_bailouts_and_recycling
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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With 700 billion dollars, you could put the whole country back to work in new companies as well as upgraded older companies and even produce new technology. You do anything you wanted with 700 billion dollars. You could repave the whole country; upgrade everything. You could fix all unnecessary problems.

Any country with 700 billion dollars to spend is filthy rich.
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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pay for everyone's healthcare.

And education.

Raise teacher's salaries.
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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Universal Healthcare.

Nationwide, interconnected mass transit.

Energy-efficient buildings that generate their own power.
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gangpae



Joined: 03 Sep 2007
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It probably won't be enough money. Paulson, Bernanke, and all the others are lying through their teeth. If the value of real estate in the U.S.A. = 700 trillion and if the defaulters are 10% the toxic debt is 70 trillion. Add on top of that the fact that the over-consumption that the sub-prime system encouraged is probably going to result in a significant drop in consumer demand we can expect unemployment to increase. The negative savings rate in the U.S. was the ticking time bomb that has finally gone off. The financial gurus are running around trying everything they can think of to keep the system "liquid" but they are fighting a loosing battle. Economics dictate that the more people live beyond their means the harsher the correction. Expect much higher taxes, useless bloodsucking zombie banks, and an end to the good times for decades. 700 billion is like using a fly swatter for a missile defense system. On the positive side the ensuing depression will probably solve America's immigration problems.
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Gatsby



Joined: 09 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found a great calculator from Microsoft:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=32b0d059-b53a-4dc9-8265-da47f157c091&displaylang=en

This is a big improvement over the one included with Windows. And it solves this specific problem by putting in commas and letting you add zeros two or three at a time. You can cut and paste the calculation and the answer.
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On the positive side the ensuing depression will probably solve America's immigration problems.

As to immigration, that was in the news yesterday.

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Immigration boom slows as US economy falters

The Associated Press
Published: September 23, 2008

WASHINGTON: The wave of immigrants entering the United States slowed dramatically last year as the economy faltered and the government stepped up enforcement of immigration laws.

The U.S. nation added about a half million immigrants in 2007, down from more than 1.8 million the year before, according to estimates being released Tuesday by the Census Bureau.

"The U.S. is still a beacon for many people who want to come here for all kinds of reasons," said William Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution who analyzed the numbers. "But what this shows is that the economy plays a big part in it."

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/09/23/america/NA-US-Immigration-Census.php

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/22/AR2008092202563.html?hpid=topnews

I guess that's not so good for the ESL teacher market in the States.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the richest man on the planet is the Mexican Carlos Slim and he doesn't even have 60 billion.

700 billion eh.....

The top four oil companies combined for just over 100 billion in profits last year.

700 billion is the gross national product (GNP) of India, Mexico and Korea.
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TexasPete



Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Koreatown

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

$700,000,000,000....

A stack of one dollar bills equaling that amount would be 250,833,333 miles high OR a little over a hundred million miles further than the distance between the sun and Mars.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



Joined: 25 May 2003

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Q: Is the US population increasing or decreasing?

Just curious.
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Gatsby



Joined: 09 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to my calculations, a $700,000,000,000 stack of one dollar bills would be only 44,177 miles high.

That's still about twice as high as Mt. Everest.

If someone wants to check my math, here's my starting point source:

http://www.crunchweb.net/87billion/

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RJjr



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A minimum wage employee working a 40 hour week would have to work until around the year 57,500,000 A.D. to earn that amount of money before taxes. Give or take tens of thousands of years.
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TexasPete



Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Koreatown

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gatsby wrote:
According to my calculations, a $700,000,000,000 stack of one dollar bills would be only 44,177 miles high.

That's still about twice as high as Mt. Everest.

If someone wants to check my math, here's my starting point source:

http://www.crunchweb.net/87billion/

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D'oh....forgot to divide by a mile (5,280). You're right. I need more sleep.

It's also 24,688,745 kilos of gold.
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RJjr



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TexasPete wrote:
It's also 24,688,745 kilos of gold.


5.39 times all of the gold in Fort Knox.
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Nowhere Man



Joined: 08 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:27 am    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

About 3 years in Iraq, give or take a couple hundred billion.
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