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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:42 pm    Post subject: I've said it before, but Reply with quote

Does Korean teenagers' knowledge of history, even their own history, ever suck. Today I suddenly got handed a second-year HS class to teach with 15 minutes' notice (CT's grandfather died last night) so I pulled out a trivia quiz I was planning to use for another class.

One of the questions was what was life expectancy in Korea in 1900, give or take five years. I could have said give or take 15 and no one would have been close. After I managed to explain what life expectancy was most were guessing more than twice what it actually was (23 for men and 25 for women). I decided not to mention that during the Japanese occupation it almost doubled.

Another question was who invaded Korea in the 1200s. They looked clueless so I told them it starts with an 'M'. One of my brighter students guessed Mexico.

At least I can take comfort in the fact that the history teacher is having as little luck instilling any knowledge in them as I am developing most of their conversational English skills.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it makes you feel any better - most first year university students in Canada don't know whose side China was on in WW2.
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Tjames426



Joined: 06 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean students are not expected to know about ANOTHER countries history.

The OP was, I think, talking about South Korean students not knowing THEIR own history.
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cruisemonkey



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WW2 is not another country's history - Canada's or Korea's!

I am well aware of what the OP was talking about... and I was talking about Canadian university students not knowing their own country's history.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cruisemonkey wrote:
WW2 is not another country's history - Canada's or Korea's!

I am well aware of what the OP was talking about... and I was talking about Canadian university students not knowing their own country's history.


And considering that in BC 20% of them would be Chinese, it would still work either way.
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SHANE02



Joined: 04 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So....we have ............umm

A foreign language

A new teacher

Questions totally beyond the student's experiences

And a teacher who is surprised they don't know the answer.

No offence, but these "guess what I'm thinking" "quizzes" are nothing to do with education. But you know that already right?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cruisemonkey wrote:
If it makes you feel any better - most first year university students in Canada don't know whose side China was on in WW2.


Are you suggesting that they were allied with the west?
I don't think so.

This is heading into the realm of off-topic (and sorry to the OP for the hijack).

China was AGAINST the Japanese (since Japan invaded China) BUT
They were NOT allied with the west (they were still mad at the British and the Americans over the invasion of China and burning of the summer palace in Bejing at the turn of the last century, not to mention the opium wars earlier in the Qing dynasty.

A common enemy does not necessarily make 2 countries allies.

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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SHANE02 wrote:
So....we have ............umm

A foreign language

A new teacher

Questions totally beyond the student's experiences

And a teacher who is surprised they don't know the answer.

No offence, but these "guess what I'm thinking" "quizzes" are nothing to do with education. But you know that already right?


Thanks so much for the enlightenment! I guess now I know better than to use content-based materials that relate to the students' culture in a format that actually makes them want to pay attention to and work out English questions. Next time I'll be sure to use my 15 minutes of lesson preperation much more carefully.

And since you've been so helpful to me I'll return the favour by editing your post for you:

Quote:


- A foreign language.

- A new teacher.

- Questions totally beyond the students' experiences.

And a teacher who is surprised they don't know the answer.

No offence, but these "guess what I'm thinking" "quizzes" have nothing to do with education. But you know that already, right?
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SHANE02



Joined: 04 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
SHANE02 wrote:
So....we have ............umm

A foreign language

A new teacher

Questions totally beyond the student's experiences

And a teacher who is surprised they don't know the answer.

No offence, but these "guess what I'm thinking" "quizzes" are nothing to do with education. But you know that already right?


Thanks so much for the enlightenment! I guess now I know better than to use content-based materials that relate to the students' culture in a format that actually makes them want to pay attention to and work out English questions. Next time I'll be sure to use my 15 minutes of lesson preperation much more carefully.

And since you've been so helpful to me I'll return the favour by editing your post for you:

Quote:


- A foreign language.

- A new teacher.

- Questions totally beyond the students' experiences.

And a teacher who is surprised they don't know the answer.

No offence, but these "guess what I'm thinking" "quizzes" have nothing to do with education. But you know that already, right?


You're welome. i still fail to see how the 2 questions you talked about have anything to do with the real lived culture of your students But if tht's the content they have been studying then I missunderstood. You don't need to get pissed off. I understand that you were dropped in it at the last minute so to speak.

Thanks for the edit, i was in a hurry to watch Outrageous Fortune.
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MissSeoul



Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: Somewhere in America

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:41 pm    Post subject: Re: I've said it before, but Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:


Another question was who invaded Korea in the 1200s. They looked clueless so I told them it starts with an 'M'. One of my brighter students guessed Mexico.



Who is M ??
Mongorian ??

We've learned that Gingiskan of Mongoria invaded China, they also invaded korea ??? ( I've never heard ). I've read somewhere that one prince of some korean kingdom ( hahaha, sorry, I don't know what's the name of kingdom ) married to a princess of Mongoria, so I was wondering how it happened ??? Laughing Laughing
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cruisemonkey



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:58 pm    Post subject: Re: I've said it before, but Reply with quote

MissSeoul wrote:
Mongorian ??


Yes, they invladed... but most Ks are Mongorian anyway... so maybe in the 13th century they were ribelators.
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cruisemonkey wrote:
If it makes you feel any better - most first year university students in Canada don't know whose side China was on in WW2.


It's a trick question! China wasn't part of "the world" back in WW2.
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marlow



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of my students thought that if Dongnae Fortress was more recent than Gaya, then maybe it was built after the Korean War.
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IncognitoHFX



Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did a Chuseok activity. I compared and contrasted Chuseok with Thanksgiving, showed traditional meals and dress from Canada and compared it with Korean traditional dress.

I told the students that Canadian Thanksgiving was between two and three hundred years old and then asked them how old Chuseok was. I already knew the answer as I did the research myself, but my students had no sweet idea. Some said it was fifty years old, others said five hundred... one of my classes argued that it started with their parents and another class argued that it was between five and then thousand years old (an advanced class).

The answer: Approximately two thousand years old. They simply had no idea, neither did the co-teachers. However, I can't be too hard on them, it might be something contested or completely irrelevant.

What's even more perplexing is Canadian student's lack of knowledge. In my first year studying at a university in Moncton, New Brunswick (a university I later left and transferred away from), several students in my Western Civilizations course had no idea what the Holocaust was.

I tutored a girl in the third year of a History major at a neighbouring University (Dalhousie) and she didn't know what powers were fighting in World War 2. She had no idea that the war involved Germany, or that Canada was involved. She knew the word "Hitler", but didn't know it was a person. She had never heard of the Holocaust either.

You think that's bad, watch that video on Youtube interviewing Americans...
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SHANE02 wrote:

You're welome. i still fail to see how the 2 questions you talked about have anything to do with the real lived culture of your students But if tht's the content they have been studying then I missunderstood. You don't need to get pissed off. I understand that you were dropped in it at the last minute so to speak.

Thanks for the edit, i was in a hurry to watch Outrageous Fortune.


Hmm, let's see. That and the other history question most of them actually got ('what animal became extinct in Korea in the 1920s?') might relate to:

- Their cultural identity.
- Their teacher demonstrating an obvious interest in their culture.
- Their ability to understand numbers and dates in English.
- Their (possible) interest in their own country learned by using English as the langauge of instruction.
- Learning something new about both Korea and English.
- Learning the English name, spelling, and pronunciation of a country.
- Learning new vocabulary implicitly through context.
- Learning in a non-traditional way that requires less effort and hopefully gives some of them an improved attitude towards learning English.

Yup, total waste of time there, I guess. Good thing I didn't have to teach them again third block, like I usually do. I thought I'd have to, but had to meet a big wig who was visiting today and was ten minutes late. I arrived only to find out that their schedule had been changed for the whole day. I didn't know this at first and walked in and saw a few students out of their seats and most of the rest chatting, and announced 'All right, let's start!' only to see the Korean literature teacher standing up at the front. I have no idea what she was trying to do but I'm fairly certain I didn't come in last today in the subbing department.

BTW, I forgot to mention that on the 'what animal became extinct' question one student answered unicorns and another dragons. I'm guessing they were joking.
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