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[aboxofchocolates]

[Adventurer]

[Big_Bird]

[jkelly80]

Feminism has a problem in that women were second class citizens for way too long in western society, but once they received rights they act just as petulant, spoiled and self-absorbed as any other member of our society.

Therefore even though feminists have legitimate grievances, its usually about past events or conditions in undeveloped regions in their societies. Or even the Third World (I loved talking about the role of American women and then somebody would bring up the Taliban and burqas when losing a debate). Even when they do make good points, they still too often come off as whiny and vindictive.

[aboxofchocolates]

[prideofidaho]

I'm not sure I care enough about online discussions of this topic...no offense, but it's just a topic that I'd rather hash through face-to-face, but I just have to say this.

The point about feminism being utterly absorbed in past grievances is an interesting one that I think about often. However, I'm not sure if I buy that a simple 'wave of the wand' led to a time where women are now just as equal as men. I also think it best to look at certain situations and not simply: North/Central and South American societies, African societies, European societies or Asian societies.

I also think it's wise to consider that in a time now where balances between people are so public and seemingly widespread, a vast majority of those humans in situations where dire and immediate help is needed are women and children.

I can't wave around any statistical evidence...partly cause I'm too lazy, but it's not unheard of for women to be the most affected in wartime situations, primarily cause they're partners, brothers, and fathers have all been killed.

So those are the sorts of things I think about when I call myself a feminist and ponder the movement. That, and my status as a woman here in Korea (and the status of my fellow Korean sisters). We're not related, by the way.

That' all I have to say I think.

[Adventurer]

Well, I do prefer the term human rights than feminism. I am somewhat old-fashioned in some areas in that I believe males should some toughness, backbone, assertiveness, but I don't believe that we should we use our energy for violence. I think increasingly there is more violence directed against females in the modern era when compared to the past, and it is troubling. It is not being done by gentlemen, that's for sure.

I am of the believe that a healthy dynamic needs to exist between females and males otherwise the culture becomes dysfunctional.
I also value femininity more than I value feminisim, and I value masculinity more than I value machismo. I think we need masculinity and femininity. What's wrong with that? We love women for their femininity which is a different that should be appreciated and men are loved for their masculinity. We can balance each other out.

I think males and females are being educated in a way where there is no balance of the energies that produce healthy males and females, and there is more and more dysfunctionality. It is normal for men and women to relate each other. It is our nature to do so, but our minds have been so infected with these ideologies of feminism, addiction to the idea of a soulmate, the increased materialism out there and looking for our mates to fit some outer perfection that is not realistic.

Yes, we need to focus on human rights and the fact that we are both part of humanity. I have no problem with a woman paying for my dinner. Plenty of women have done that. I just generally pay for the first date, and I don't mind being a gentleman. I was raised that way, and I also respect women. I just do not respect the idea of women getting too defensive amongst men as if we must prove we are worthy or men who are chauvinistic either. Both kinds of people annoy me.

I support human rights. I just do not support people wanting to view men and women as the same. They are not, and there is nothing wrong with that. They just should be equal in worth, pay, and both should be respect, because one is not better than the other. Men shouldn't feel strange if they lovingly call a female friend babe when he is not hitting on her. He is just being endearing just like a waitress might be if she used the same word with a regular coming into the diner. Why can't we be a little more relaxed and embrace each other? Is it too much to ask?

[peppermint]

[Adventurer]

[aboxofchocolates]

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[BreakfastInBed]

I apologize for having nothing meaningful to contribute, but this

[rubric]

I think I know what she means.
It speaks volumes and is why it can often be difficult talking about the evils of radical feminism with a Western woman who has been exposed to university education.

However, there's a type that quickly swoop and attack any kind of message that challenges the view they have been raised on.

There is a lot of moron-ish and simplistic argument out there that attempts to illustrate the flaws in radical feminism, but this was one of the few articulate and logically presented blogs I stumbled across.

Camille Paglia is another good example, imo, of a writer and thinker who has found that radical feminism has become a vile, destructive, self-protecting, and self-serving philosophy.

http://dir.salon.com/topics/camille_paglia/

[prideofidaho]

Sorry, but why is it so priceless? Is it one of those "It's funny 'cause it's true" things? Or is it a "Oh, cute!!! look what SHE said" Or maybe it's something else. I'm just asking.

I just find it odd that so many people are ready and quick to bash feminism now, arguing we've seen the benefits of its labour, and it's now time to bury the hatchet. It's weird because the rest of our planet hasn't seen any result. I'm not being negative or pessimistic, but what the hell is up with that?

Also, what's up with not being able to make the distinction between psycho-radical man-hating feminists and those who are simply questioning our society roles and standards? It's not hard...just use ya brain a little. I only want equality among all people. And I don't believe we're there yet. Plain and simple.

[BreakfastInBed]